Weird story about self defense, firearms, and muzzle control

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This story is just one of the weirdest I've ever read:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-md.ci.shooting28mar28,0,5234060.story

Man killed while beating would-be robber
By Annie Linskey | Sun reporter
March 28, 2008

Facing the barrel of a sawed-off shotgun on a dark West Baltimore street, Roland Scott fought back. He pulled out his own weapon - a fake handgun - and wrested the shotgun away from his attacker, city police said.

Scott ordered the man to strip naked in the middle of Laurens Street, took $800 from him and forced him to march into the laundry room of a nearby apartment building.

"He starts beating him, telling him to get more money, saying, 'Get me a cell phone or I'm going to kill you,'" said Sgt. Dennis M. Raftery Jr., a supervisor in the Police Department's homicide unit. "He is beating him with the butt of a sawed-off shotgun."

Raftery said the shotgun, then pointed at Scott, discharged, hitting Scott in the stomach and killing him. Authorities said his death will be ruled accidental.

"It is unusual," Raftery said yesterday. "I don't know how to put it. It is sort of like one for the books."

Still naked, the other man ran from the apartment building in the 400 block of Laurens St. - the incident occurred about 4 a.m. Wednesday - and went down Monroe Street. He cut his foot and was treated in the emergency room at St. Agnes Hospital.

He told homicide detectives that he was trying to steal money to pay his rent and for pharmacy school, Raftery said, and that he ran when he heard the shotgun go off.

Raftery said detectives interviewed a witness who told police that he saw what happened in the laundry room and corroborated the man's account.

"You can't make this up. You just can't," Raftery said. "There is no way that two different people who don't know each other ... there is no way he could come up with the collaborating information. I guess the moral of the story is if you get the jump on someone who is robbing you, call the police. Had he just held him there and called the police, then we would have done what we need to do."

Police said they are investigating to determine whether charges can be filed in the robbery of Scott.

It really does prove you should be mindful of where a weapon is pointed at all times.
 
Darwin Award winner

So, let's see.... Scott was being robbed, grabbed the guys gun, attempts to rob the robber and after he strips him, ends up shooting himself with the robbers gun.


WOW.... you can't make these things up.

Too bad it wasn't a grenade. Coulda been a two-fer
 
Well, I thought Scott was doing great right up until he shot his self.

Biker
 
That karma...sometimes she's slow, sometimes she's fast, but she'll get you every time.

I would have been happy with getting the gun from him and holding him until the cops arrived. He got greedy.
 
This one is almost as good as the poachers that threw a deer, not as dead as they thought, in their trunk, then dropped their guns on the carcass and left. When they got to their destination and opened the trunk, the deer shook its head, the antler striking the trigger of the shotgun laying on him, which discharged into the poacher's leg.
The headline was "Deer shoots poacher."

If he knew more about muzzle discipline, he would have cured a robber for certain.
 
Authorities said his death will be ruled accidental.

:confused:

Help from any legal types please, I thought that most states have laws that essentially say any death during the commission of a felony is a murder/homicide.

:confused:

NukemJim
 
I thought that most states have laws that essentially say any death during the commission of a felony is a murder/homicide.

But who was committing the felony? The guy who tried to rob Scott, or Scott who robbed, humiliated, and mercilessly beat the guy who tried to rob him instead of just detaining him. I'm all for defending yourself, but this went way too far.
 
Why was he carrying a fake handgun?
I wondered that myself.Seems like the first in a string of REALLY stupid, bad ideas this guy had that day.Amazing story.Definitley a wierd one, thats for sure.I'm willing to bet the original robber will probly give up the criminal life afetr getting stripped, robbed, beaten, and then seeing what can happen to someone committing a robbery as the second fuy shoots himself in from of him.Talk about "scared straight"....
 
the guy that lived stopped committing a crime as soon as the other guy had him disarmed... once the other guy started robbing him, stripping him and beating him, the guy that lived was the victim of an armed robbery... i dont see any reason to charge him with the death, now the original robbery im guessing will still be charged
 
how would ya'll feel if he has just taken the shotgun, robbed the robber, and then walked away?

or heck, in this croud, just kept the shotgun?
no cops, muss, nor fuss.
 
"He pulled out his own weapon - a fake handgun"

Well right there we get evidence that this guy is as dumb as one can possibly come. Nothing else after that bit of info should be surprising in any way,
 
I think the original robber could be charged under the felony homocide rules. It doesn't matter that the tables had turned. He instigated the situation under which the other scumbag died, he's responsible.
 
"Give the robber a scholarship to his pharmacy college - he ain't cut out for a life of crime!"

No way should we give this guy a scholarship to pharmacy school. Do you want this idiot filling people's prescriptions?:what:
 
Darwin is smiling today - the gene pool just had a big ole pile of crap buckshotted out of it.

And seriously, did he have to see the guy naked? I think when he did THAT he went too far.
 
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