Wasr 10

Century's employees dremel out the mag wells and add US parts. They import the WASRs from Romania where they are made as low-capacity sporting rifles. Thats why WASRs dont have dimples in the receiver above the mag well.

Well, my WASR sure is ugly, I'm planning on refinishing the wood and getting the metal refinished, I think that alone would improve it VASTLY. But with as ugly as it is, it runs like a champ. I've never had a jam, FTF or FTE, ever. Its not a target rifle, or even close. But I can pop milk jugs a few hundred yards out with her reliably, and thats good enough for me!

Century doesn't make the WASR.

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That's not exactly correct. They DO assemble the imported parts. They DO make modifications to the parts they buy from overseas and they DO install US made parts. The WASR cannot be imported to the US as a complete rifle because it would not contain the requisite number of US made parts. Century does MUCH more than import the rifles. In fact, from a legal point of view since Century applies a model number and Serial number they DO IN FACT "MAKE" the rifles they sell.

anyone know what kind of ultimak handguard rail will fit an arsenal ak in .223? slr106fr model to be exact.

yongxingfreesty said:

anyone know what kind of ultimak handguard rail will fit an arsenal ak in .223? slr106fr model to be exact.

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Yes.

TexasRifleman said:

That's not exactly correct. They DO assemble the imported parts. They DO make modifications to the parts they buy from overseas and they DO install US made parts. The WASR cannot be imported to the US as a complete rifle because it would not contain the requisite number of US made parts. Century does MUCH more than import the rifles. In fact, from a legal point of view since Century applies a model number and Serial number they DO IN FACT "MAKE" the rifles they sell.

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Century imports the rifles in 10 round capacity, and they'll be happy to sell you one of those for around $250. They don't "assemble" anything on or about them in the condition they enter the country. They DO add 5 US parts and mill out the mag wells for standard capacity magazines on some of them, per 922r, and sell them at a bit higher price then their virgin imported Wasr10s.

Century had FAL receivers made for them by Imbel of Brazil. These receivers went into some of their FAL offerings. Imbel "made" the receiver, but Centuries name and serial number was on it.

They DO add 5 US parts and mill out the mag wells for standard capacity magazines on some of them, per 922r, and sell them at a bit higher price then their virgin imported Wasr10s.

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Which is assembly, as I said on those modified rifles. By the changing of the serial number and model number they have "made" a new rifle and there's not much way you can try to argue otherwise. If I take a Colt AR and take Colt parts out, put DPMS in, I have certainly "assembled" a new rifle if not in legal terms then in functional terms potentially. To say that adding these US parts and modifying the rifle does not constitute an assembly process, or could not impact the reliability of the weapon is foolish.

Century IS responsible for what they are selling and the example I have in the back of a closet is junk.
Junk which, by the way, Century has decided not to support at all. They won't return my phone calls.

By the changing of the serial number and model number they have "made" a new rifle and there's not much way you can try to argue otherwise

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Brrrrt. Century also reserials K-31s that they have imported and I can guarantee you that it has nothing to do with anything century has added or subtracted from the rifles but has everything to do with legal compliance.

BTW, I believe you that you had a WASR that wouldn't shoot. I've also had mosin nagants that were worse shooters than what you posted bout your wasr, though there are no shortages of posts about people reccomending m44 and m38 rifles which I consider complete pieces of crap.

I'd buy a Yugo for another $100 and get a few more whistles and bells than the average WASR (thicker receiver, TAPCO G2 trigger, nicer wood furniture, etc.). I say that because that's what I actually did.

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WASRs have been coming with the G2 trigger for a while now. Also, the wood isn't that bad, nothing a few dollars worth of steel wool, sand paper, and tung oil won't cure.

I think I found out what WASR stands for....

What A Sh**y Rifle.......

At 50 yards mine groups, MAYBE, 10 inches.
Been 100% reliable however.

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Are you shooting from a rest? Shooting from a rest under the forend or barrel can throw your groups all to heck, because the rifle really tends to jump off a rest. Try with the bag as far back as possible, even behind the mag supporting the trigger guard, or shoot from prone instead.

My SAR-1 (basically the same rifle) with the non-G2 trigger will do 2" groups at 50 yards with Wolf.

"...the AKs are easy to shoot poorly, and hard to shoot well."

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I think this is more internet BS by people who never actually shot one, or if they did, it was doing the "bump".

There seems to be a lot of that type thing floating around, along with the need to try and "Americanize" them. Most people I've heard it from in person didnt seem to even know what to do with one when you put it in their hands. Then again, most didnt do to well with an AR either. If you put just a little time in with one, all the so called deficiencies seem to miraculously go away and they are not near as hard to work as you were led to believe.

If you can shoot, the AK wont let you down. I actually find it easier to shoot well with quickly than most anything else. With a good red dot mounted, its on equal terms with any AR.

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I think it's true of an AK using iron sights, in the hands of someone not used to a short sight radius and pistol-style sights on a rifle, or who wears glasses. They're also very easy to benchrest badly (see above).

An optic makes the rifle far more user-friendly, IMHO (I have a Kobra on my SAR-1 and love it).

The AK's iron sights really are not all that bad. I never understood the complaints about the type of sights they are, as just about every hunting rifle or shotgun come with them, and the majority of milsurps floating around use the same type sight.

They can be a disadvantage at longer distances, especially on days when the light is constantly changing, but for most everything else, they work well. I actually find them easier to use for fast, close up shooting than the peeps.

Your dead on with the red dots. They are the best thing going since sliced light bread! Especially if you do need glasses.

I have Aimpoint/Ultimak combos on two of mine. The red dot brings the AK right along into the 21st century with the AR's or any of the others so equipped. With an Aimpoint(and some others) mounted forward on the Ultimak rail, you can still cowitness your iron sights, and the rifle shoulders and shoots very naturally.

I dont normally shoot off a bench, even for sighting in. The couple of times I have tried it with an AK wasnt to bad.

This was shot at 200 yards with my SAR using its iron sights. The lower three shot group was shot off a bench to confirm zero, and the upper group from cross legged siting at a steady cadence just after the first. Ammo was Wolf154 grain SP's. Even with slightly canted sights, the old SAR shoots quite well. My WASR actually shoots a little better.

Sandness

I did the same with mine
Red mahoganey (spelling)

WASR-10 = a true AK at a affordable price!

pretty damn good rifle for $325-350new

The WASR-10 I have on layaway looks pretty good, and it feels pretty solid. Should be a good shooter.

I set out to purchase an AK and plenty of mags and ammo. I settled on a WASR, though- the example I have on layaway looks great, and for the money I am saving over something more expensive, I can stock up on mags and ammo aplenty.

Most of the classic "issues" with the Century WASRs are not present on this rifle, and the magwell doesn't have an excessive amount of wobble. Everything looks and feels pretty good on this rifle.

If you have the patience and don't mind trying your hands at some stuff, you can convert a Saiga, and those are pretty good deals (and decently accurate). I didn't feel like playing the parts game right now, or waiting on stuff to arrive, so I went with a WASR. But I plan on picking up a Saiga in .308 to compement it, and that I will try converting and evilizing.