3 months for a lcp! or get raped

"as well as ruger getting sued from kel-tec"

Dang, I missed this. I must have been reading up on Rohrbaughs. Hard to get upset over a Ruger being $279 or even $379 or more.

I still haven't seen one.

John

Just called my dealer. He has one left at $349.

Well I took mine to the range

Fired 190 rounds through it.

The first mag had 3 FTF - not fully going into battery, quickly fixed by racking the slide. All were Fiocchi FMJ. The second mag had one FTF - not fully going into battery with a Speer Gold dot. Otherwise and after that the gun was flawless eating all the remining Fiocchi HP's and FMJ's (50 each) and Winchester STX (20) and PMC Bronze (50) and Speer Gold dot HP (20) with no issues.

It could be the gun need some breaking in (and still might) or perhaps initially I was holding wrong and cause the FTF's.

Otherwise the gun was very controllable, at 7 Yard line had adequate combat shooting accuracy and was overall a winner.

The web of my hand hurts but what could I have expected. I like the gun and consider it a keeper especially for $280.

What's the problem?

Just wait until the price comes down to your level.

Owning a new gun is not usually a life or death issue; if it is, buy another model.

I have plenty of pocket pistols, including Keltecs. i'll wait.

What amazes me is that Ruger stock isn't taking off. It dropped 50% 6 months ago, and it's still there. And now they are selling the highest demand pistol in recent memory, and can't make enough of them. They gotta be making money.

Its called GunBroker.

What amazes me is that Ruger stock isn't taking off. It dropped 50% 6 months ago, and it's still there. And now they are selling the highest demand pistol in recent memory, and can't make enough of them. They gotta be making money.

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That's an interesting observation. Hmm.

How's S&W doing? You'd think they'd be looking pretty good -- my anecdotal sense is that a lot of M&P carbines and auto pistols are heading out the dealers' doors as part of a general pre-election interest in defensive semi-autos.

Anyway, re: LCP -- I want one, but I also want to wait a while to see if there will be problems. Maybe this fall. I just don't trust Ruger to get a semi-auto pistol right the first time around.

Revolvers, that's another story.

I handled the upcoming Kahr .380 a few weeks back and really liked it. I have to say, if Ruger doesn't start getting guns into the pipeline by the time the Kahr hits the market, I may go that route. It will cost quite a bit more, but it is also a bit smaller and locks open on the last shot. The quality seemed extremely high.

Quit the whining and feed the puppy...

Do you have a chronic physical condition that necessitates that you have that particular model of pistol? If not, find something else... duh!

Free market sales means that gun dealers will sell pistols for whatever the market will bear. If the dealers start getting stuck with these guns, the prices will come down. If the demand stays high, the prices will too... it's basic economics. As more of them are in circulation, the "used gun" market will kick in, and people will be able to find them "used"... which will also drive prices down.

I bought the last SR-9 a friend of mine (dealer) had at a gun show. Now, I'm waiting to send it back to the factory... but I got it first, and new... I've got lots of other guns that I got used, and have never had a moments trouble with... so what's the problem? If this is your only gun, start your collection with something else. There are millions to choose from out there, and thousands of different models.

I paid a little too much for one of my Smiths (a model 39-2), but have been well pleased with how it performs and shoots. Now, I could sit around and whine about paying too much, or "feed the puppy" some more 9mm and make both of us happy.

Back in the 1960's, I could buy excellent weapons for $50 to $100. Today, those same weapons are $300 to $900 (Browning and FN Hi Power comes to mind) and they're basically the same guns with a few improvements... but how much can you improve a gun that only has about 4 major parts? They have a proven track record, so they're expensive... the same will happen with the lcp or any other gun that hits the market. It will be expensive when new, if it gains a reputation, the prices will go up... if it becomes in short supply, the price will go up... if the gun laws change, the prices will go up.

You have 2 choices, as I see it... you can :banghead: or you can shop around. If you're hell-bent to have an lcp, suck it up and fork over the cash... and by the way, that concealed weapons carry permit only allow you to carry weapons... not buy them cheaper... even if you don't have to go through another background check. I'd get the gun before I the gun dealer, however... or he might just pass your prize off to somebody else. Obviously, he has plenty of people standing in line for them.

WT

Well, I think yo have every right to "whine".

One of the many things I don't like about gunshows is that kind of attitude. The retailer figures he will never see you again so why deal?

I bet the guy went home with it.

For the life of me, I don't see what all the hubbub is about. Sure, it seems like a decent gun, but it's just a Ruger. Bersa, Walther, S&W, Beretta, NAA, KelTec and others make fine pistols that I think you would be happy with.

From the video, it looked a little snappy. I perfer the Walther because I like the extra weight.

I think if you really want it, wait a year. Every new product has problems. If Ruger has any sense they will be cranking these babies out AQAP so I'm afraid a few lemons may slip past QC.

Don't EVER pay an inflated price for a production gun.

JTR

*sigh*

I think the ladies on our forum would agree that $100 is not even in the same category.

Generally, gun shops make single digit markups on gun sales. it hardly pays to keep the roof over their head. And everyone wants them to be there to do the transfer on the gun you buy online instead of from your local gunshop.

So every once in a while, a gun comes along that everyone wants and no one has... and people will pay more than you will for it... and instead of making a little extra money this time, you want them to give it to you for what you think you should pay for it.

And then, when they later go out of business and you find all the guns you want for dirt cheap online, you'll be driving miles away to find an FFL in business to handle the gun and you'll pay more than had you paid a fair price at your local shop in the first place.

I don't own a gunshop. I don't know anyone who owns a gunshop. When I walk into the local shop, they don't know my name even though I have bought a few guns from them over the last couple years but they know my face. I don't spend time hanging out bugging them; they don't have time and I don't have time. So this isn't a case of a gunshop owner on a rant. It's a case of a gunshop customer on a rant.

And calling it raped is a bit dramatic, don't you think? In fact, it was a lot dramatic. I know rape victims. Your unhappiness is nothing at all like their pain.

I'll just buy a P3AT and live happy. It's a damned good gun and has a superior customer service/warranty backing it. When Ruger can meet demand, I'll consider the LCP. It's absolutely nothing special, though, when compared to the competition.

lobotomy boy

the kahr p380 is just one super little hand gun, They spared nothing to make it right. Sure alittle pricey compared to the lcp or kt, but certainly not in their class either. I will certainly own one as soon as I can get one. My two kahrs have been flawless and my pm9 now has 10,800 perfect rounds through it and it is my 24/7 carry to. But I sure love that little P380 to..

Damn capitalists and their supply and demand!

as well as ruger getting sued from kel-tec.

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I doubt very much that Ruger is getting sued or will be getting sued, despite the ever-popular internet rumors to the contrary.

If anyone has a link to a filing I'd like to see it. Otherwise it's speculation and rumor.

LCP is expected to arrive within 60 days at Academy Sports. Will be priced $289.

As mentioned elsewhere, prices will drop as demand levels off and shelves get stocked.

I may pick up a p3at or watch the LCP for several months. No rush.

I picked mine up today after only a 7 day wait. $279. We compared it side by side to the P3AT. The LCP is built a lot better, especially the thicker polymer put into the grip. Thje Grip @ the magazine well on the P3AT was thin and actually flexible...not so with the LCP.

My used LCP

It could be that early analysis of the unit costs were low, happens to me all the time, sometimes I make parts for customers and find I'm barely breaking even.

Projected costs seemed high but after several hundred parts we couldn't get the manufacturing costs down.

Yep, supply and demand. Some things in life get a premium added on, if you have to have it when it first comes out. Many guns and cars fall into this territory, I can think of two that I paid up for at the time, because I had to have it, and I had the available funds. We make these decisions on a daily basis, and it's perfectlly ok to do so. That's why some guy get's to drive that "new model", or "limited production", and some have or choose to wait. It depends on how important it is to you, and that's all that really matters. Also plastic is plastic, I have a Kel tec pf-9, that I haven't even fired yet. I overpaid for that one also, my time is more valuable to me, than a few dollars, as others have mentioned. With the increase in gas prices and my wanting to pick up that specific model, I wouldn't let 10-25% bump on an inexpensive handgun sufficient to hinder my purchase. I think most of us are like that when we want something.

And calling it raped is a bit dramatic, don't you think? In fact, it was a lot dramatic.

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I'd say even that is an understatement, frankly it's offensive to call that rape. Let me reiterate that:

OFFENSIVE!

You don't like the price? Don't pay it. Don't, however, trivialize the word "RAPE" with a comparison to having to pay a higher price than you want for something. I realize the OP was just trying to turn a phrase but words can be powerful things, they should not be used lightly.

I'll certainly agree that it's price gouging, which is certainly understandable in a market economy, but I'll do anything I can to avoid it. I like to think there's nothing I need so bad that I have to have it today.

The LGS that I give money to most often sells them for $275.00. Another shop right across the street from the first is selling them (when they have them) for $319.00. Both are under MSRP, so, I don't have a problem with either shop. I bet you can guess where I'm getting mine and I'm next on the list. I told them that I didn't mind the wait. This store has become one of the fastest growing shops where I live because they have decent prices and the guys that are behind the counter don't have an attitude.

I'm one of the guys that would never pay over MSRP for anything because I can wait until all of the fuss is over. I'm in retail and we don't charge customers a premium for a hot item, so, I don't want it done to me. Oh, and I believe in supporting local business, too, as long as they don't try gouge me. In my opinion, that is a good way to lose good customers. There's my two pennies.

My dealer of choice sold one today for $279 Shipped. I am not in the market but I am sure I could get one at that price if I wanted one.