Mexico - Criminals Armed And Dangerous

With the reported violence in Mexico would you travel there if you had to be unarmed?


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Well it sure seems like the Mexican cartels are armed to the teeth, and judging by some news reports and pics I have seen of a recent shootout down south I am willing to bet such is the case.The U.S. Department of State also seems to believe this to be a threat to U.S. Citizens traveling and living in Mexico, and even on our side of the fence close to Mexico. See the below Travel Alert als found online at http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_3028.html

Travel Alert
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Bureau of Consular Affairs
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This information is current as of today, Sat May 10 18:22:22 2008.

Mexico

April 14, 2008


This Travel Alert updates information for U.S. citizens on security situations in Mexico that may affect their activities while in that country. This supersedes the Travel Alert for Mexico dated October 24, 2007, and expires on October 15, 2008.

Violence Along The U.S.-Mexico Border
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Violent criminal activity fueled by a war between criminal organizations struggling for control of the lucrative narcotics trade continues along the U.S.-Mexico border. Attacks are aimed primarily at members of drug trafficking organizations, Mexican police forces, criminal justice officials, and journalists. However, foreign visitors and residents, including Americans, have been among the victims of homicides and kidnappings in the border region. In its effort to combat violence, the government of Mexico has deployed military troops in various parts of the country. U.S. citizens are urged to cooperate with official checkpoints when traveling on Mexican highways.

Recent Mexican army and police force conflicts with heavily-armed narcotics cartels have escalated to levels equivalent to military small-unit combat and have included use of machine guns and fragmentation grenades. Confrontations have taken place in numerous towns and cities in northern Mexico, including Tijuana in the Mexican state of Baja California, and Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez in the state of Chihuahua. The situation in northern Mexico remains very fluid; the location and timing of future armed engagements there cannot be predicted.

Armed robberies and carjackings, apparently unconnected to the narcotics-related violence, have increased in Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez. Dozens of U.S. citizens were kidnapped and/or murdered in Tijuana in 2007. Public shootouts have occurred during daylight hours near shopping areas.

Criminals are armed with a wide array of sophisticated weapons. In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles.

U.S. citizens are urged to be especially alert to safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. While Mexican citizens overwhelmingly are the victims of these crimes, this uncertain security situation poses risks for U.S. citizens as well. Thousands of U.S. citizens cross the border safely each day, exercising common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas of border towns during daylight hours. It is strongly recommended that travelers avoid areas where prostitution and drug dealing occur.
Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles, particularly in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana. There is no evidence, however, that U.S. citizens are targeted because of their nationality.

U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are urged to contact the consular section of the nearest U.S. consulate or Embassy for advice and assistance.

Crime and Violence in Mexico
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U.S. citizens residing and traveling in Mexico should exercise caution when in unfamiliar areas and be aware of their surroundings at all times. Violence by criminal elements affects many parts of the country, urban and rural, including border areas. Though there is no evidence that U.S. citizens are specifically targeted, Mexican and foreign bystanders have been injured or killed in some violent attacks, demonstrating the heightened risk in public places. In recent years, dozens of U.S. citizens have been kidnapped in Mexico and many cases remain unresolved. Moreover, new cases of disappearances and kidnap-for-ransom continue to be reported. No one can be considered immune from kidnapping on the basis of occupation, nationality, or other factors. U.S. citizens who believe they are being followed should notify Mexican officials as soon as possible. U.S. citizens should make every attempt to travel on main roads during daylight hours, particularly the toll (“cuota”) roads, which are generally more secure. It is preferable for U.S. citizens to stay in well-known tourist destinations and tourist areas of the cities with more adequate security, and provide an itinerary to a friend or family member not traveling with them. U.S. citizens should avoid traveling alone as a means to better ensure their safety. Refrain from displaying expensive-looking jewelry, large amounts of money, or other valuable items.

Demonstrations occur frequently throughout Mexico and usually are peaceful. However, even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence unexpectedly. Some deaths occurred during violent demonstrations, including an American citizen who died in the 2006 violence in Oaxaca. During demonstrations or law enforcement operations, U.S. citizens are advised to remain in their homes or hotels, avoid large crowds, and avoid the downtown and surrounding areas. Since the timing and routes of scheduled marches and demonstrations are always subject to change, U.S. citizens should monitor local media sources for new developments and exercise extreme caution while within the vicinity of protests. The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation. Therefore, U.S. citizens are advised to avoid participating in demonstrations or other activities that might be deemed political by Mexican authorities.

For more detailed information on staying safe in Mexico, please see the Mexico Country Specific Information at: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html. For the latest security information, U.S. citizens traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department's internet web site at http://travel.state.gov where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States, or, for callers from Mexico, a regular toll line at 001-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). American citizens traveling or residing overseas are encouraged to register with the appropriate U.S. Embassy or Consulate on the State Department's travel registration website at https://travelregistration.state.gov/.

For any emergencies involving U.S. citizens in Mexico, please contact the closest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. The U.S. Embassy is located in Mexico City at Paseo de la Reforma 305, Colonia Cuauhtemoc, telephone from the United States: 011-52-55-5080-2000; telephone within Mexico City: 5080-2000; telephone long distance within Mexico 01-55-5080-2000. You may also contact the Embassy by e-mail at: [email protected]. The Embassy's internet address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/.

Consulates:
Ciudad Juarez: Avenida Lopez Mateos 924-n, telephone (52)(656) 611-3000.
Guadalajara: Progreso 175, telephone (52)(333) 268-2100.
Hermosillo: Avenida Monterrey 141, telephone (52)(662) 289-3500.
Matamoros: Avenida Primera 2002, telephone (52)(868) 812-4402.
Merida: Calle 60 no. 338 k, telephone (52)(999) 942-5700
Monterrey: Avenida Constitucion 411 Poniente, telephone (52)(818) 345-2120.
Nogales: Calle San Jose, Nogales, Sonora, telephone (52)(631) 311-8150.
Nuevo Laredo: Calle Allende 3330, col. Jardin, telephone (52)(867) 714-0512.
Tijuana: Tapachula 96, telephone (52)(664) 622-7400.

Consular Agencies:

Acapulco: Hotel Continental Emporio, Costera Miguel Aleman 121 - local 14, telephone (52)(744) 484-0300 or (52)(744) 469-0556.
Cabo San Lucas: Blvd. Marina local c-4, Plaza Nautica, col. Centro, telephone (52)(624) 143-3566.
Cancún: Plaza Caracol two, second level, no. 320-323, Boulevard Kukulcan, km. 8.5, Zona Hotelera, telephone (52)(998) 883-0272.
Ciudad Acuña: Ocampo # 305, col. Centro, telephone (52)(877) 772-8661
Cozumel: Plaza Villa Mar en el Centro, Plaza Principal, (Parque Juárez between Melgar and 5th ave.) 2nd floor, locales #8 and 9, telephone (52)(987) 872-4574.
Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo: Hotel Fontan, Blvd. Ixtapa, telephone (52)(755) 553-2100.
Mazatlán: Hotel Playa Mazatlán, Playa Gaviotas #202, Zona Dorada, telephone (52)(669) 916-5889.
Oaxaca: Macedonio Alcalá no. 407, interior 20, telephone (52)(951) 514-3054 (52)(951) 516-2853.
Piedras Negras: Abasolo #211, Zona Centro, Piedras Negras, Coah., Tel. (878) 782-5586.
Playa del Carmen: “The Palapa,” Calle 1 Sur, between Avenida 15 and Avenida 20, telephone (52)(984) 873-0303.
Puerto Vallarta: Paradise Plaza, Paseo de los Cocoteros #1, Local #4, Interior #17, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit, telephone (52)(322) 222-0069.
Reynosa: Calle Monterrey #390, Esq. Sinaloa, Colonia Rodríguez, telephone: (52)(899) 923 - 9331
San Luis Potosí: Edificio "Las Terrazas", Avenida Venustiano Carranza 2076-41, Col. Polanco, telephone: (52)(444) 811-7802/7803.
San Miguel de Allende: Dr. Hernandez Macias #72, telephone (52)(415) 152-2357 or (52)(415) 152-0068.

I am pretty sure I would not go there for anything because I am pretty sure none of my famly would go there so the emergency thing would not be a consideration.

All the best,
GB
 
I'd be happy to go there - about the time the Broncos won the Super Bowl for the tenth straight year (I think that's called when hell freezes over) and when all of the goods, services and money stolen from the US is returned.
 
When I was working in the state of Tabasco last year the governor visited the Hilton I was stayng in. He was attending a business conference.

He travels with two platoons of machine gun toting federal police.

Just a governor.

The police chief lasted two days before his head was found at the front door to city hall.

I will never go back.

Anygunanywhere.
 
Travel to a third world country with a multi-sided low intensity civil war on going in one of the many parts of the world where kidnapping forigners for money is a way of life?

At least if I had gone to Colombia I would have been paid 80K/yr. tax free and had armed security...
 
I'm relieved to hear that criminals in Mexico are armed and dangerous.

I've read about so many illegal guns coming into Mexico from the United States recently that it must be scarey to live there.

Since Mexican criminals have the means to defend themselves against the illegal guns, they should be able to survive and repopulate the country after honest Mexican people--who are denied the means to defend themselves--are extinct.
 
These days its safer to visit Nicaragua (Believe it!) I have been to Belize twice this year already. It seemed much safer than certain parts of our own country.
 
Was wondering about the purpose of this thread...oh well...

Was there today. Great people. I have Mexican colleagues working for me doing research, and they're the best that can be found.

Just a government that cannot control organized crime, massive corruption, and gun control laws that always reinforce my belief in our 2nd amendment. It's so sad to see it this way. And I don't know when it will change.
 
No

Been to Matamoros (right after Mark Kilroy was abducted and killed, Google for more info) once, saw it, don't care to go back.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
I had to vote yes. I spent many a fun night in Tijuana in the mid 70's. I also went across the border at Yuma for quite a few nights and had fun during the same period.

In the late 70's, I spent quite a few nights down around Esenada. We even drove there. Fast forward to 1988 and then 1999, I went to Caucun. I encountered no problems.

I have a habit of watching my butt and understanding the safe zones when I go to a foreign land.. I never got jammed up anyplace I have gone and I've been around the world and visited many a country considered "shakey".

But, I check any area I plan on going to before I go and make a decision on what I do there and where I go based on what I find out. I'm sure I might not go to certain places south of the border anymore.
 
I love Mexico and the Mexican people, I'm not ashamed or afraid to say that publicly.

Been in Mexico for business a few times in the last few years and used to go there every now and then for pleasure.

I've been to Villhermosa, an oil biz town, and my company had a sales & operations meeting in a resort just south of Cancun (near Tulum) a few years ago.

When I lived in Alpine, we'd take road trips down to Ojinaga and sit in a little cafe that served the best cóctel de camarones I've ever had. We'd drink Mexican beer and watch gringo movies dubbed in Spanish. Seeing "The Three Amigos" and "Enemy Mine" mine in Spanish, what a trip.

Don't think I'd do that now.

But if you travel in Mexico heeled, I feel sorry for you. They don't play down there, apparently. I hope you've got good connections.
 
ONly for an extreme emergency and since I don't have any family there i can't imagine an emergency that would occur.
 
You forgot a poll question.

I would never go to mexico PERIOD

NJ has 800,000 illegal mexicans, I don't have to go far to see one.
 
I have been south of the borders several times the last time was this January. We stay away from the big tourist resorts , and head for the smaller towns and villages, its a lot safer their than an major city in the states.
The worst crime is in the Mexico City and the border with the US, where kidnapping is a cottage industry and drug running seems to be the other occupation.
When you speak a little Spanish , and are polite , it is a good place to spend a little time with out spending a lot of money.
 
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