What the hell is THIS ugly thing for?

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If I could have a real one ie full auto and the shorter barrel I would be very interested.

The detuned civilian version doesn't do anything for me. It could be SBRed but the civilian version just isn't worth the money they want for them to me. Maybe shooting one would change my mind though.
 
neutered civilian version of a proposed personal defense weapon for tank/air crews and the like. Or thats what my understanding of it was. Its the old replace the pistol idea so to speak.
 
One of the fun stores around here have them at about $1600. Has a weird feeling recoil impulse, but muzzle stays down pretty well for not having a comp.
 
Hm... what's it for?

Well, I thought it'd be for shooting copper jacketed lead projectiles at targets... but that's just me :D

Yeah. The other guys said it all.
 
The new innerds of the Kriss are quite revolutionary. I'd bet that we'll be seeing some form of this recoil-reducing, muzzle-jump dampening mechanism in semi-auto rifles and shotguns in the near future.
 
You guys are crackin' me up! ROFL!

Does the full auto go for more to police and such? I doubt many would buy one at that price. Might be the ultimate drug enforcement or SWAT entry gun, from what it sounds like, though, in the full auto short barrel form. I don't think it'll replace the MP5 anytime soon.
 
The super V has been much-discussed here and elsewhere - the recoil-redirecting properties are more useful (much more) in a full-auto version than in the civilian semi-auto version - but nevertheless useful in semi-auto, too, particularly in rapid-fire. It's a nice bullet hose allowing you to stay on target like a ganster's typewriter (thompson), but still comes in much lighter.

They REALLY missed the boat though, in not making that thing a bullpup. You take that ingenious recoil-reducing design, put it in a bullpup carbine, 16", where the OAL is *just* enough to be legal without a special license (26"), and you'd really have something for civilian sales. It'd probably be better looking as a bullpup too. Clearly, it could be made into a bullpup easily with just a trigger extension mechanism straddling the guts, since there is no buffer tube or any other goings-on rear of the main receiver module - just wasted space with that ugly stock. To make matters worse, the design is such that you have to be high as a kite to see over the receiver, buffer tube or no buffer tube, and yet it's NOT a bullpup! You're as high as a bullpup unnecessarily without getting the benefit of a bullpup. And .45 acp, being a low-pressure round, is a great choice for a bullpup, by minimizing Kb concerns.
 
If only ATF restrictions on barrel lengths went away... I've always wanted a PDW type weapon, and one like this in .45 would be awesome (though the H&R MP-9 has a lot of appeal, too). I'd be willing to guess that there's a huge latent market for such guns, largely being held back (and hte price held up) by over-regulation.
 
Is there an MSRP out yet on civilian Kriss yet?

$1600-2300 depending on what you want your model shipped with. There is a basic model with iron sights and there is a deluxe model with optics of sorts on it. There WILL be an SBR version as well. It takes .45 Glock mags. The company sells a +6 or something extender for the mags.

I held one. It was interesting, but I wasn't particularly impressed.
 
I can already see the "tacticool" guys drooling.

Seems I saw some sort of prototype shotgun that looked similar too.
 
Here's hoping SCOTUS rules on Heller in a manner that lets "mere mortal citizens" own one - not the crippled civilian version either.
For the last time:

THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT RULING ON MACHINEGUNS, CONCEALED CARRY, IMPORT RESTRICTIONS, EXECUTIVE ORDERS, NICS, GUNSHOW "LOOPHOLES", PURCHASE LIMITS, BACKGROUND CHECKS, FELON RESTRICTIONS, OR ANYTHING ELSE, EXCEPT FOR WHETHER OR NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IN A 100% FEDERAL JURISDICTION, HAS THE POWER TO BAN FIREARMS, AND WHY OR WHY NOT. NONE OF THESE OTHER ISSUES WILL BE DECIDED BY HELLER. NONE OF THEM.

Sorry, Shdwfx. I just get sick of explaining that Heller, in and of itself, is going to have a very narrow impact. Now, the cases that follow afterward, years down the road...that's another story.

Mike
 
It certainly is not a luger toggle bolt. The luger system replicates the motion of the human elbow. Try and mover your arm like that!
 
I don't understand it. For some reason I can fire a .45ACP M16 or HK UMP with 200 or less grain loads with perfect holdover and no pulldown with my supporting hand.

I'd might as well buy a Paslode nail gun and paint it black.
 
I think it's a retarded fad for Uber-New fantatics. It's ugly, not really any improvement over anything... and thanks to the more complicated action, I question the reliability and longevity. Can it fire in all conditions? Dirty? Dry? Dusty? Muddy? Frozen?
I doubt it. Looks like it will be prone to parts breakages.
 
"I think they were trying to copy the Corner Shot, same principle different idea, kinda."

Uh... no. Not even slightly. If this was Digg.com - I'd dig you down for that. Pay attention to the details more.

"I like it because it has a trigger."
Well, there is an argument for it that I can understand. +1 for that one. You are right. It's a gun... it's a .45... Give me one, and I'll shoot it once a month. Promise.
 
Ugly? LOL

I actually like the looks over my modified AR15 platforms. Some people dont like change or advances in technology. :neener:

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Never played Halo and thats your opinion. In the not so distant future the weapons, just like automobiles, and just about everything else will go through change. Everyone knows that. Some for the good and some for the bad. We adapt and move forward when technology does, right?

I personally love old classic cars and old bolt action rifles but this is fun to tink around with at the range. Then when its time to get serious then I go with the long range rifles.

BTW the US Army has started to use this rifle.
 
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