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Boys Terrorized In 'Wrong Home' Invasion
Invaders Flee With Flat-Screen TV



The boys, ages 11 and 14, were at their home in the Hunter's Creek subdivision at about 12:35 p.m. Tuesday when two culprits covering their faces with clothing kicked in the front door, deputies said.

A person wearing a hat, dark shorts and a coat pointed a handgun and yelled, "FBI. Get down!" deputies said. The boys were then forced to the floor and ordered to cover their heads with pillows, according to deputies.
 
The explosion of folks wearing police type gear and / or posing as police is getting alarming... The only thing worse than having someone kick in your door would be having the police do it. :what: One of the no knock wrong house situations.
 
Boys Terrorized In 'Wrong Home' Invasion
Invaders Flee With Flat-Screen TV

POSTED: 10:43 am EDT July 9, 2008
UPDATED: 12:33 pm EDT July 9, 2008
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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Two boys were terrorized during an Orange County home invasion when two masked assailants with guns kicked in a door and demanded money before saying they were sent to the wrong house and fleeing with a TV, deputies said.

The boys, ages 11 and 14, were at their home in the Hunter's Creek subdivision at about 12:35 p.m. Tuesday when two culprits covering their faces with clothing kicked in the front door, deputies said.

A person wearing a hat, dark shorts and a coat pointed a handgun and yelled, "FBI. Get down!" deputies said. The boys were then forced to the floor and ordered to cover their heads with pillows, according to deputies.

The second invader, who was wearing an orange shirt, yelled, "Where's the money?" before saying, "We've been sent to the wrong house," according to an Orange County Sheriff's Office report.

The assailants fled the house with a 37-inch LCD flat-screen TV, deputies said.

An investigation discovered that all of the circuit breakers to the home, located in the garage, had been turned off and all of the telephone cords had been pulled from the walls, deputies said.

A neighbor said a small sports car was in the driveway of home.

Another neighbor said she saw two black males near the vehicle, the report stated. She described the first male as being in his late teens, dark-skinned and about 5 feet 9 inches tall with a very short haircut, according to the report. She described the second male as 5 feet 9 inches tall with an average to thin build and possibly wearing a hat, the report said.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.
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Someone want to point out where it said the bad guys were dressed as the police? One of the suspects was reported to be in his late teens. Everyone knows that the FBI hires special agents in their late teens. Sounds more like they were wanting to rip off drug money.

Good locks, steel doors.....Not much else you could do. You can't exactly arm 11 and 14 year olds...

Jeff
 
Y'all please note:

"An investigation discovered that all of the circuit breakers to the home, located in the garage, had been turned off and all of the telephone cords had been pulled from the walls, deputies said."

Something else to think about...

lpl/nc
 
Lee just noted one more reason cell phones are good. That, and AR15s for everyone until backup arrives a few hours later.
 
The thing that worries me most about this particular trend is that it's gonna get a real police officer killed someday. I'm beginning to get very leery of "no knock" warrants. If you're so afraid the BG's are gonna flush the mother lode of drugs you're looking for down the toilet, why not just have the water department shut off the valve before you serve the warrant? If you've got the scene properly secured before you knock on the door, none of the evidence is gonna get away.

If the person you're looking for is so dangerous that you feel the need for a no-knock, better make sure they're in there first. I am personally uncomfortable with the concept of a no-knock raid, even though I have participated in them in the past.
 
If you do cut utilities, you ruin the element of surprise which is sorta the idea of a no-knock
 
You can't exactly arm 11 and 14 year olds
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My 16yo has keys to every gun/ammo storage space in the house.

My 14yo doesn't own her own gun yet, but we have several locks keyed alike and she has a key that will access my Mark III.

I would not necessarily think it wise for a teen carry at home, but a teen who isn't responsible enough to have access to at least some of the gun storage is probably not responsible enough to be left home alone with the stove, power tools, household cleaners, pesticides, ... .
 
No offense Jeff, but I bet sm and some others might disagree
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sm was raised very differently from most kids. I doubt he would advocate the routine arming of preteens and early teens for defensive purposes.

I would not necessarily think it wise for a teen carry at home, but a teen who isn't responsible enough to have access to at least some of the gun storage is probably not responsible enough to be left home alone with the stove, power tools, household cleaners, pesticides, ... .
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So the proper response is; "Wait Mr. home invader I have to get my gun!"

The fanatical, absolute certainty that many members have that a firearm is the answer for all of life's problems never ceases to amaze me. How do you all raise your children? Like the Spartans used to raise their male offspring? Do you really expect your 14 and 11 year olds to initiate a gunfight with armed home invaders? Wouldn't a more sensible plan be to make the home as impregnable to a home invader as possible, prepare a safe room and teach the kids to lock themselves in and call the police on the cell phone you keep there? Or if that isn't practical for financial or other reasons, such as you rent, prepare an escape route for them, drill them to use it like you drill them to escape a fire and have them run to the neighbors.

Jeff who's boys were keeping their guns in their room by that age, but who never would have expected them to start a gunfight to protect the TV.
 
This type of behavior, coupled with the rise of no knock warrants is going to get officers killed.

Arming your children is probably not a solution that works for everyone, but if possible a reinforced door and a large dog would be at least a measure of deterrent.

As far as getting in a gunfight to protect the T.V..... well... how do you know that they were just there for the T.V.?

If they were 11 and 14 year old daughters instead of sons would that change thing?
 
Below that article on the TV station page is another regarding a gun shop clerk using his lawfully-carried weapon to thwart what was likely about to be an armed robbery. Fired shots at one suspect, sending him running, and held the others at GP for police..
 
As far as getting in a gunfight to protect the T.V..... well... how do you know that they were just there for the T.V.?
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I don't believe for a minute that they were there for the TV. I think they were there to rip off a rival drug dealer and took the TV when they realized they were in the wrong house.

If they were 11 and 14 year old daughters instead of sons would that change thing?
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Doesn't make bit of difference. Most adults aren't ready to engage in a fight for their lives when it's forced on them. What makes you think children raised in a modern society are? There are other, better options then arming the children and expecting them to fight it out with home invaders. Yes it has been successfully done. And it's a good idea to teach your children to resist an attack on them with everything they have. But it's a bit much to expect them to defend the homestead from armed intruders when there are other options available.

Jeff
 
If you do cut utilities, you ruin the element of surprise which is sorta the idea of a no-knock
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If you shut off the water after you've got the perimeter secured, you keep the BG's from flushing more than once. The original reason "no knocks" started being approved in the first place was a fear of drug dealers getting rid of evidence before it could be secured. Shutting off the water isn't going to give the BG's that much warning.

If the problem is that you're after a known armed and dangerous individual, there are other methods than a no knock. Just be sure you've got the right address. Face it, the BG's are adapting and using our techniques to their advantage.

What should worry you the most si the law-abiding homeowner getting life in prison because of it.
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Or getting killed themselves. Tragedy all around. Nothing good can come of this trend. We may very well have to reevaluate the utility of the no knock raid. That's all I'm saying.
 
The original reason "no knocks" started being approved in the first place was a fear of drug dealers getting rid of evidence before it could be secured.
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I am amazed you are willing to admit this. Most cops are standing by the "officer safety" lie.
 
So the proper response is; "Wait Mr. home invader I have to get my gun!"

The fanatical, absolute certainty that many members have that a firearm is the answer for all of life's problems never ceases to amaze me. How do you all raise your children? Like the Spartans used to raise their male offspring? Do you really expect your 14 and 11 year olds to initiate a gunfight with armed home invaders? Wouldn't a more sensible plan be to make the home as impregnable to a home invader as possible, prepare a safe room and teach the kids to lock themselves in and call the police on the cell phone you keep there? Or if that isn't practical for financial or other reasons, such as you rent, prepare an escape route for them, drill them to use it like you drill them to escape a fire and have them run to the neighbors.
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It is neither practical nor desirable to make my home into a prison with the sort of iron bars on the windows and armored hardening of all doors that would be needed to make the place absolutely secure.

Nor is it desirable to have the kids bail out a window -- perhaps right into the arms of more bad guys.

What suits one family does not necessarily suit another.
 
sm was raised very differently from most kids.
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I was raised in Montana and knew where the loaded guns were, and when to use them. Actually had to grab the gun once when I found a guy in our house.

The police that took him away were amazed he wasn't well ventilated.....

I just couldn't shoot the guy when he was on the floor crying like that.
 
Jeff White said:
Everyone knows that the FBI hires special agents in their late teens.
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Of course they do... I saw it on T.V.

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two culprits covering their faces with clothing kicked in the front door, deputies said.

A person wearing a hat, dark shorts and a coat pointed a handgun and yelled, "FBI. Get down!" deputies said. The boys were then forced to the floor and ordered to cover their heads with pillows, according to deputies.

The second invader, who was wearing an orange shirt, yelled, "Where's the money?" before saying, "We've been sent to the wrong house," according to an Orange County Sheriff's Office report.
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Aye. They were probably looking for Elian's house.

-Sans Authoritas
 
I'm waiting to read a news article where a law enforcement officer has refused to participate in a no-knock raid because it isn't needed and is needllessly dangerous to civilians. Does it ever happen?

I'm also waiting to read a news article where a judge goes to jail for life, for signing a no-knock raid warrant that gets some innocent hurt.
 
Grey Mana said:
I'm waiting to read a news article where a law enforcement officer has refused to participate in a no-knock raid because it isn't needed and is needllessly dangerous to civilians. Does it ever happen?

I'm also waiting to read a news article where a judge goes to jail for life, for signing a no-knock raid warrant that gets some innocent hurt.
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If there was just a little common sense that went with it, I would be for it. ie 1 day Surviellance or more before a no knock can be issued. Something on the line of CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence instead of Probable Cause.

I think that would solve 9 out 10 of the "got the wrong house" type scenarios.

I feel for cops though. Heads you lose. Tails you lose. Don't flip, you lose....
 
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