Britain grapples with surge in Knife attacks

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Just found this article on Yahoo.

Strange, but the article totally fails to make any kind of statement about how tough the gun laws are in Britain.

Just how 'fashionable' carrying a knife is.

Sigh.

by Cyril Belaud
1 hour, 17 minutes ago



LONDON (AFP) - Britain is struggling to get to grips with a surge of fatal knife attacks, which analysts say reflects a growing sense of insecurity on the country's streets.

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While some say young people are increasingly carrying knives as a fashion item, others say it is simply because they are scared of being attacked and so make sure they are armed.

On Friday police confirmed the death of an 18-year-old in south London, the 21st teenager to die of violence in the British capital this year, amid wider concerns about anti-social behaviour among young people on the streets.

That came after nine people were killed across the country the previous week, including six in only 24 hours.

"We have seen the emergence of a worrying trend in relation to knife crime," said Scotland Yard's Deputy Assistant Commissioner Alf Hitchcock.

"We see both an intensification in the severity of offending, and a worrying change in the age profile of offenders and victims, which has decreased from mid- to late-teens to early 20s down to early to mid-teens," he added.

Analysts say young people appear to be increasingly worried about their own safety, although Home Office statistics released Thursday showed a nine percent fall in overall crime in England and Wales in the year to March 2008.

"They fear they're going to be attacked themselves," said Professor Gloria Laycock, from the Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science, named after a well-known BBC television presenter who was shot dead on her doorstep in 1999.

"I don't think it's got anything to do with some fundamental social cause like the economy, or poor parenting or anything like that, because it's happened too quickly," she added.

According to a 2006 study compiled for the Home Office, 85 percent of young people who had carried a knife said they did so to protect themselves, while 42 percent of young victims of assault went on to commit an attack themselves.

The most recent crime statistics showed there were 22,151 recorded offences involving knives last year. The highest number -- 7,409 -- was in London.

"They feel they need to have a weapon for their own protection. I think that's really the problem," said Professor Douglas Sharp, head of the Centre for Criminal Justice Policy and Research at Birmingham City University.

"Young people think that life in their particular locality is so dangerous, that there's so much threat around, that when they get into confrontations they expect to be subject to some violence," he added.

But Sharp, a former senior police officer himself, said: "Most of this violence going on is not related to other criminality, is not related to fights over drug territory or anything like that.

"It's to do with fairly mundane disagreements that just get out of hand very quickly."

Another new trend is that recent killings have taken place in public places in busy city centres, outside bars and clubs, as opposed to previously where attacks were more usually the result of domestic disputes.

"This is relatively new. Certainly in the scale we are seeing this at the moment," said Laycock.

"I think it's because it's become a kind of fashion thing. Young people have got this into their head that it's more trendy to have a knife and so they're doing that," she added.

"It has to do with their image, rather than anything more fundamental than that."

This theory would seem to be backed up by media reports, which have included photos taken from social networking sites showing young people proudly wielding knives and even machetes.

But not everyone is convinced that carrying knives is simply to be trendy.

"I don't agree that it's a fashion," said Roger Grimshaw, of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College, London.

Research showed that young people are "more likely to have been victimised and to fear being attacked. So it's... not a trend. If they feel threatened, they try to reduce the fear by becoming threatening themselves."

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Having a Knife as a Fashion Accessory???? who writes this garbage?
A Pocket Knife is a tool, not a Fashion Accessory.
 
speaking of which, im going to dublin for my senior year trip and was wondering on if there are any laws against small folders over there. i dont want to get in trouble, but stuff like this is why i ask.
 
Leave it to Britain. What you mean people are still attacking others even with the tough gun laws? I dont believe it. I thought for sure it would be safer.
 
Darn those metal forgers that invented knives!!

Oh wait, darn those Cavemen that sharpened stones to a fine pointy edge!
 
Oh wait who created sharp edges in the first place? God... crap no one to blame but the criminals.
 
speaking of which, im going to dublin for my senior year trip and was wondering on if there are any laws against small folders over there. i dont want to get in trouble, but stuff like this is why i ask.

Dublin?

I think they are the same as the rest of the UK, if you get caught with any kind/size knife in your possession, Instant 6 month prison sentence.
& the Brits treat Locking Blade Knifes like the ATF does unregistered Machine Guns.
 
The "Law" over there never stopped me from carrying a locking blade knife when I lived in the uk, but I would not advise doing the same, it's to risky if you don't know the system over there inside and out, and things have likely changed enough to eliminate the loopholes I used to use.

Don't even take a pen/mini swiss-army knife if you want to come home voluntarily and on schedule, some places even treat fingernail files (metal ones) the same as knifes as far as the arrest/6 month sentencing goes.
 
OK, Britain has a problem with violence involving knives. Posters are implying that if Britain somehow relaxed its firearm restrictions the violence would reduce, presumably because of the "good guys" now having the ability to defend themselves and others. Highly unlikely. The British population is so far removed from ownership and expertise with firearms that the totally unrestricted re-introduction of SD firearms probably would be genuinely chaotic.

The problem in Britain, as in the US but to a greater extent, is that poor judicial policy has bred one, approaching two, generations of totally criminal youngsters. British politics, and law enforcement since it follows the political will, failed to draw a firm line on irresponsible/criminal behaviour. The result is a slippery slope of degrading social responsibility that now sees a knife, or any other weapon, as the solution to an assumed affront in a bar.

Britain needs to rethink its policies, and there is some indication this is happening with recently confirmed laws on self-defense.

The answer to violence, here and abroad, is improved police work, impartial application of the law, and severe penalties for the TRULY guilty.

Presently, the possession of firearms in the US keeps SOME of the violence in check. However, there is a limit to what the individual gun owner can achieve. To deal with gangs we need co-ordinated application of force and this looks as though it will be the US's challenge in the near future since gangs are being allowed the level of freedom that individual British thugs were permitted.
 
They mentioned the strict gun laws in a round about, and very indirect manner:
which analysts say reflects a growing sense of insecurity on the country's streets
If they only had guns, regular law abiding citizens would not need to fell insecure.

All the best,
GB
 
Are you trying to tell me that all it takes is a sky-high violent crime rate, due to lack of punishment and enforcement, in order to make people fear for their safety and try to defend themselves, as 85% of the knife-carriers say is the reason for their carrying?

9% decrease from a stratospheric level of crime is still very very high. How about maybe catching and punishing the criminals who commit assaults (with or without a weapon), robbery (with or without a weapon), etc.? Novel idea...those crazy Brits..
 
GB,
You missed my point. Members of the general population in UK cannot realistically be expected to safely and effectively use a handgun. There are ex-military personnel who you would hope would be competent but remember, for most soldiers, the handgun is not a primary weapon. There is very little reserve of handgun expertise in the police forces. There are relatively few handgun enthusiasts in the civilian population as a percentage of the population as a whole. The number of people in Britain who could be trusted to use a handgun in combat, despite their good citizenship and best intentions, is minimal. It is also unlikely that those good citizens congregate where the present violence is taking place.

What the advocates of rapidly re-arming the UK are saying is, in effect, give a gun to a totally clueless individual and launch them on a task of defenders of society. The people who we would trust with guns are not capable of using them and they are unlikely to go where the problems occur. The knife problem in UK is generally like our shooting problems in the US - happens in fairly well defined areas between fairly well defined social groups.

It would take years to create a firearms competent society in Britain. This is not saying a start should not be made - just a warning that it is a much more long-term project than in the US.
 
Has England ever really had a gun competent segment in it's population? For that matter has England ever really had a civilian population that was comfortable with being armed?

I'm not talking about the aristocracy by the way.
 
virtually all the knife victims are teenagers often killed for trivial reasons.
don't think anybody thinks giving hand guns to teenagers a good idea:(
its also centered around the main urban areas.
don't think theres as many stabbings in Washington dc and south central la but then gang bangers have access to fire arms:(
are wannabe gang bangers only have access to knives and or converted blank firers/ remiled deacts so slightly less capability for mayhem but not by much unfortunatly:(
high water mark for UK firearm ownership was around 1905 after ww1 there were a lot less members of rifle clubs around and law started to be applied
 
The biggest problem over there is that the criminals have more rights than the victims.

As for the poster who said instant 6 month jail sentence for carrying a swiss army knife, no, it's not that bad.
Yes, you can carry a small knife in Dublin - But better advice is don't go anywhere alone at night, and don't stick around after bars close.
 
Once great Great Britain will eventually become part of a new worldwide Caliphate thereby abolishing all non-Islamic culture and beliefs and imposing Sharia law.

Militias loyal to the Grand Ayatollah of England will quickly round up members of the ethnic and criminal gangs and bring them before Sharia courts. The leaders will be executed and the remainder given lengthy jail sentences.

Crime rapidly disappeares. The Grand Ayatollah declares a public holiday in celebration.

All hotels, nightclubs and casinos are shut down. Bulldozers flatten the area. In its place are built an Islamic university and a madrassa catering to schoolchildren.
 
Lack of handgun expertise in the general population is a normal situation worldwide not a particular situation in the UK. The US is the exception rather than the rule.

Can anyone name another country where:
1. Handguns are easily, and legally, available.
2. There are a large number of firearms ranges or areas where it is legal to practice with a firearm.
3. Ownership of firearms is a right of the general population rather than a privilege for the few.

Many countries permit sporting firearms but free, legal, ownership of handguns, and the opportunity to frequently practice with them, is almost exclusively a US phenomena caused by this nation's unusual history.
 
Mr Rogers you are ‘spot on’ with your analysis (and thank you for a grown up factual piece of writing rather than the useful childish low road remarks us Brits normally have to endue on THR).

The answer to knife and gun crime in the UK is to enforce harsh penalties on those responsible and make prison a true deterrent and not a holiday camp were criminals and low life scum are let out for ‘good behaviour’

These scumbags have no respect for other people or the law and therefore should forfeit all their rights as soon as they decide to violate those of others.

Banning doesn’t solve anything … education does to a degree but IMHO we need to punish these criminals and make their life hell just like their victims and not just threaten to do it.
 
Gun giveaway!

I wasn't trying to advocate a 'rapid rearming' of the population. I was more trying to point out that people WILL find away to do grievous bodily harm to one another.

Punishing criminals would be a good start.
 
I think Mr. Rogers makes good points, and I don't see weapons as a simple solution here. I tend to think this situation shows how far to he11 that the supposedly good intentions of government regulation types can take you.

KiltedClaymore, Dublin is part of Ireland, aka the Republic of Ireland, which is separate and independent of the UK. UK laws do not apply there, any more than Canadian laws apply in Missouri. Unfortunately I don't know what Irish knife laws are.
 
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