How much do you believe in forums?

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In another thread I expressed my disappointment in forums over the years. So much so that I thought it might deserve its own thread. I must admit, my experience has been dismal.

For example, there's one reason and one reason only I am a member of THR and the KnifeForums. In my experience, I like the members and their advice.

But I'm not overly concerned about the topics of guns and knives. I would like these people if they built model trains or collected coins. If I had no faith in the structure, I wouldn't come back, at all.

As stated, I got into forums later in life--believed a lot of what I read. But I found a lot of disturbing things along the way. And to such a tragic extent I cleaned out my "favorites" list at one point, and still clean house every few months. It's literally junk. And here's what I have found.

Don't waste a lot of time in martial arts fourms. Most/many brag about credentials, few can document anything said. Lots of the advice would get you beaten to a pulp if you actually applied it. I doubt if anyone there has even gotten a bloody nose.

Oh, this one really hurts. Motorcycle forums. Currently, I am not a member of any V-Twin or cruiser style forum. As you can guess, bikers squabble and I've received a few bans--but not for what you're probably thinking. I'm not sure many of these guys own bikes.

I have been a tad sneaky in that pursuit. I would often include slang like "pan" or "mousetrap" into my threads. Granted, jargon evolves; a 'dresser' is now referred to as a 'bagger.' But any biker who has seen the Captain America bike has seen a mousetrap. It's simply a clutch booster assembly. It hangs right out in the open on the left front of the frame. When a "biker" thinks a "Galloping Goose" is a brand of grape soda, we have a problem.

(Oh, I don't want to see two dozen photos of girl friend snot-flinging drunk at Sturgis. She already spit up on my boots, I know her.)

Sadly, I now read any initial thread or post as entertainment. That's a polite way to say I believe nuttin' no how no way.

If I get a knife in the mail for repair it proves you own at least one. Sometimes we might meet at Capital. If you're a local, you know my club. If you claim to have karate kicked your way out of the Ideal Bar you're a poser and faker. No one has ever done that, I mean, and stayed in one piece.

I believe nothing from "Security Officers" other than most of them can't swim. They are the only folks other than a claimed "sensei" who outright lie more than any other demographic strata. For the sake of my blood pressure, I have decided to never respond to a ninja. What else can I say but "prove it"?

This may sound very grim, but I assure you it doesn't have to be. I'm tired of the posers, I want to be around decent folks with real opinions based on some thought and study. Our present condition exists simply because we tolerate it. We shrug and laugh, "Well, that's the internet for you!" But what is the 'net really other than folks with a computer? We wouldn't tolerate this behavior if they did it to our faces.

I would never have most of these guys in my circle of friends.
 
Large public forums do not consist of a tightly knit group of friends. There is deceit, misdirection, insults, etc..

Everyone wants to feel special, and lying about one's own experiences or abilities to enhance their uniqueness is a very common human trait. Not saying it's good, but it happens. A lot. Get used to it, and if your gut tells you someone's lying, just smile and nod, and say "sure," or "Ok." Don't get worked up over what someone else claims happened, unless you were there, or if they're defaming you.
 
I don't get worked up (any more), it's just a disappointment and a colossal waste of time.

You spend a decent bit doing some research or typing a thoughtful response and some idiot jumps in with a sophomoric "pull my finger" utterance or the claim that he can fly.

Do you know what the single biggest reason I'm not a current member of more forums?

The truth is I forget I am a member. I try not to fight or squabble, although I have been known to. I simply look at the mix of members as liars or idiots and I sign on less and less. Eight months later I clean out my favorites list and find out I am still a member of "midwest colonoscopy book club and taxidermy association," but I have forgotten my password by simple neglect.

In other words, there are 10,000 people somewhere in the world who collectively cannot tell a singular truth or hold my interest for one paragraph.

If that doesn't sadden you, it should.

Now, if the owner of THR decided that next week this forum was going to convert to a Barry Manilow Fanboy Extravaganza I wouldn't lose too much sleep. While I'd miss the discussion on knives, a lot of my friends are here. They have my personal telephone number, we talk. I would still be a member.

Having said that, there are at least two Harley forums out there where I seriously doubt anyone really rides. Why should I go there?
 
If that doesn't sadden you, it should.

Not really, when you think about society in general. Most folks just aren't that bright, respectable, noble, or likeable. I'm reminded of high school, where half of my class never even graduated. I can't be concerned over the integrity of everyone, because most people don't have any. So I just worry about myself, my family, and my friends.

THR is an exception to the rule, and is made up of a majority of nice, decent, respectable people. It's great, but I don't expect such demographics on a typical internet forum.
 
It's the nature of the beast. Get a crowd of 10,000 people in a convention center, all talking about the same topics, and you're bound to hear a lot of worthless & uninformed opinions. Open the convention to anyone who walks in off the street, and you've just raised your uninformed chatter level immensely.

Internet or no Internet, people can be downright stupid. Both out of ignorance and willfulness. That's why people who actually know & think about the subjects at hand tend to congregate, instead of sticking around where they're the smartest person in the group. Hence, you get boards full of dreck and boards with some truly valuable information and insight. I'm only on a few forums, mainly ones where I know that most of the people involved are either knowledgeable or genuinely willing to learn. On these forums, ignoramuses generally get pushed off the island pretty quickly - not forced, necessarily, just encouraged. :D

Always remembering, of course, that the people who are actually out doing/learning stuff tend to post less than the people who aren't doing/learning stuff.

Of course, this entire thread is rather OT as it is... :D
 
Of course, this entire thread is rather OT as it is...

Yeah but it's really late (or early) so we can get away with it for now...:)
Plus I finally got high-speed interwebs out in BFE and just finished setting up my wireless network so this gives me something to do and test my connection.:D
 
exar said:
Yeah but it's really late (or early) so we can get away with it for now...
Plus I finally got high-speed interwebs out in BFE and just finished setting up my wireless network so this gives me something to do and test my connection.

While the cat's asleep the mice will play. :p
 
Sig line material:

Most folks just aren't that bright, respectable, noble, or likeable.
I'm reminded of high school, where half of my class never even graduated.
I can't be concerned over the integrity of everyone, because most people don't have any.
So I just worry about myself, my family, and my friends.

THR is an exception to the rule, and is made up of a majority of nice, decent, respectable people.
It's great, but I don't expect such demographics on a typical internet forum.
 
Tourist is right that we wouldn't tolerate a lot of this in person. One of the problems with society today is that there are no consequences for one's actions. The days of being able to get into an old fashioned fist fight are done. Now days you get arrested, sued, hurt, shot, or maybe all four. Two guys can't just settle something. Personally, I think the amount of crap that we all have to eat everyday, from so many different sources has led us to being a rude, abrasive society. I mean think about it, we have road rage all over the place, an utter lack of customer service in most businesses, tons of people with a "me first" entitlement mentality. Is it a wonder that everyone is just generally tired?


I never really started going to forums until this year. As a personal injury lawyer, I am used to BS, it is an inate part of my world. However, what I have found on forums, particularly firearm forums, is that there are tons of posers; from telephone tough guys to Double O Nothing and his super secret missions. Then, to borrow a term in vouge, there are "haters." People who get just nasty for no reason.

I got banned on another forum because I called a guy out for referring to Obama as "Puff the Magic Negro" and another guy advocating "causing trouble for him [Obama] if he causes trouble for us [gun owners]." I called the guy a Jack a** and was banned for life. I'm pretty sure veiled threats against a presidential candidate are illegal. And making a racist comment simply reinforces the stereotype of gun owners as rednecks.

Most people on this forum (and even the other) seem like decent, regular folks with a genuine interest in guns and all things related to guns. We will have widely diverse opinions because that is what America is about. We all have the right to our opinions and beliefs, but we should be respectful of one another.

I appreciate the willingness of members here to share their knowledge and opinions. The posers and haters I just ignore. But the Moderators here seem to do a better job than the other forum of containing the whack job posts.

And hey Tourist, I am going to dress in my best mall ninja outfit and ride my lime green Vespa to the Ideal Bar and try out all the moves I learned on the self taught Krav Maga dvd I bought at the last gunshow.:D:D

Seriously though, your post is spot on.
 
I posted this in another discussion:

This is the internet, it is, by it's very nature, an anonymous forum where one can claim to be anything or anyone.

Therefore it is in our best interests to be somewhat circumspect in what we choose to accept as fact when using this medium.

I personally discount the vast majority of tales of combat heroism that I read here.

It was in direct response to a guy who couldn't seem to go more than a post or two W/out making some type of reference to his vast combat experiance. He was also real big on relating horror stories about how mall ninja had blown his cover when he was working for one of those alphabet agencies.

Then one day an administrator asked him ,quite publically, to put up or shut up. haven't seen dude since.

I discount 60 % of what I read here and I NEVER give out personal information.
 
It depends on the forum. I believe most of what I read over on Cummins 4BT or Trailspace.com. For the most part those forums are well mannered, even more than THR. On RimfireCentral? I believe close to 40 or 50 per cent of what I read when it comes to groups and the accuracy of some of the shooters.

On THR I am starting to believe very little of what I read but it gets worse. The number of times I read a post or a thread with disbelief is on the rise, dramtically. I'm tired of the war heros who really weren't, tired of threads about elitism and whether or not convicted felons should get their rights back, and really tired of the crappy way people have been treating each other here lately. It seems like you can't post your opinion here without getting shouted down and the people who are doing the shouting tend to not listen to anything but their own voice.
 
Forums are what they are, especially since there is no way for any one to hold any one accountable; banned? so what? how is that a problem? I did without the internet and cell phones all over the world for 60+ years. I like to read and in that respect it has taken the place of newspapers and other pubs, but I'm still a cave dweller and a curmudgeon and I have never been to a reunion, family, class, or military or any other, am I less for it or is another entity more or less for any of it? Answer: A resounding DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
My eye opener:

Ten or so years ago on a gun forum a poster broke the news that forum member (a young woman cop) had been shot and killed. People including me were outraged and fundraising was started.

As it turned out the young woman cop and the news breaker were the same middle aged man just yanking everyone's compassion chain.

Broke me of taking internet postings without my daily ration of salt.

By the way, some of the topics like, what is the stupidest thing you have done with a gun, how many illegal guns do you have, and how many people have you killed today from a negligent discharge, sounds like what a anti gunner would like to know.

You have no idea who you are confiding in.

Of course I could be a eight year old that waited til my parents went to sleep, you never know.
 
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762 shooter: well said, that is why I do not post pictures or s/n's or any other personal info. What is mine is mine and private. I've been a lot of places and done a lot of things, but they are mine. And as I said in an earlier post. I like to read and forum begins with the same letter as fiction.
 
When I started on the forums I religiously tried to read every post, every answer, and add reasonable, thoughtful answers to the discussion.

Now, I'm sick and tired of the same questions asked by the same kind of people with the same inevitable lack of depth.

"Which one of these two well known, similar yet very different pistols should I buy?" threads are just like sand in my eyelids.

Pretty much anything said anonymously on Teh INtarwebz should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt- certain posters on here I tend to trust because after you read their stuff long enough you form the impression they are straight shooters.

Then there are those who are obviously ID10Ts. Those get ignored along with the trolls. I've been banned here and there because I offer my true opinions- moderated by public decency, such as Art's Grammaw would approve- but I'm not gonna be like Mike and agree with a stupid idea. Some forums the admin bans anyone who is not his fanbois or who dares to dispute his utterances from on high. Who needs them, anyway.

Good luck on your quest for truth.
 
The community almost entirely determines if I stay at a forum or not. The only exception is DU because I like to read alternating viewpoints.

http://www.bullshido.net/ for your martial artsquery from earlier



Yes, I wrote alternating. It is intended ;)
 
I liked the entire comment by J B Books about the difficulties with calling posers on their nonsense, which can get you banned from a forum. Nothing worse than a reasonable person tired of nonsense, I guess.:eek:

-BruceRDucer, Urban Ninja and Undercover Agent for Covert Ops and Popsicle-Stealing from the Fridge

/:what:
 
I agree with General....

The average American isn’t very swift. Just look at many of the posts on these boards…..Many people can barely string together a real sentence. I don’t consider myself a genius. I’m just a high school graduate but I learned the basics while I was there. I didn’t think I learned much but when I got out into the “real world” I figured out real quick that I absorbed much more than I thought.

The internet is full of liars and cheats. You can’t believe most of what you read. You’re lucky to get an answer to a question from someone with experience……But most of the time you get the old “I heard” or “My buddies friend said”…….I won’t post an answer unless I’m 100% sure I’m correct or if I’m asked to offer up an opinion. Giving an incorrect or improper answer can get someone hurt when we’re talking guns.

The internet has taught me one thing……Skepticism is a very good thing when applied properly…….


P.S. I'm new here but hope to earn some trust......My set of values seems to fit in well with many THR members.
 
I completely understand where the OP is coming from.

I really frequent two forums, and only participate actively and continuously on one (and to be honest, this one isn't it). On the other forum, there is a group of regulars. We know each other's names, talk on the phone regularly, and when in town always make time to visit. I think a group of people like that is extremely rare given the demographics of the internet population.

I do a lot more reading here than posting. In fact, the past few days is the most I've posted here ever. It's easy to ascertain who are the honest and honorable regulars. Most others here, I take everything with a lot more than a grain of salt.
 
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Separate experience from opinion. You'll read lots of opinions: "Rugers are all a POS", or "Glocks never fail in 20,000 rnds." People enjoy giving their opinion and it should be taken for what it is. Look for facts, "I just bought a So-and so" and I took it to the range today. Here's what happened."
I skip over posts like "What should I buy?" I don't know. One of everything!
I'm kind of new here but I like reading some of the posts. Then I decide for myself.
 
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