How do you LEOs feel about Civs with guns

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I think a question just as interesting as the one asked would be, "Would LEO help in disarming the public such as what happened in New Orleans?"

I have read reports of some that were very disturbed with what they were doing and were more or less just back up for those doing the disarming.

I have also read reports of some that were all for it and did their job with zealousness.

The reason I mention this question is because I think it reflects on a LEO opinion of "we the people" bearing and keeping arms.
 
He made a list of people he'd like to see denied firearms. He then enlisted the reader with the "I can think of them, you can, too" concept. The concept of denial is introduced, the rationale is assumed, but no authority is named.

What he did was say "You know there are circumstances that require this action. So do I. I don't trust certain entities to make these decisions. But I accept that they need to be made. I'll know when the time is right. So will you."

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He took a position. I overlooked that. His position was that no particular entity should make this decision, but a decision should be made.
 
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I've been pulled over twice on traffic stops (speeding once, expired tabs the other) and told the officer both times that I was carrying right after handing him my "Permit to Carry a Pistol" Card. Both times they just glanced at the card and said, "OK.". They were non-events.
 
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Can you think of 5, 10, 15 or more people that you may know or have met, or even heard of that realy had no business picking up a firearm for whatever reason?
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Yep, and I know for a fact that many of them already illegally own and carry guns, so its clear that no government action is going to keep guns out of the "wrong" hands (but I think you already knew that :p).


One of the reasons I want to see as many "good guys" armed as possible is because a single armed and prepared would-be-victim is worth a million laws and a thousand cops.


(I'm a non LEO type person BTW)
 
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I'm not trying to be the word-police here, but please understand that the correct context for usage of the word "civilian" is in contrast to MILITARY.

Ordinary police employed by the sheriff's department, or the local municipality are every bit as much a civilian as the guy who re-fills the slurpee machine at 7-11.
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BIG FAT DITTOS
 
The responses here are great. I am happy to see that the LEOs have confidence in the decent every day average joe....

I personally think that there are a lot of idiots out there that should not have guns, and that everyone who has one should be trained in how to be safe, and how to use the weapon responsibly....

What I believe the most is that every decent man, woman, & child should have the right to protect themselves - and it seems like the LEOs feel the same way here.
 
Depends on their section of the country, for one. LEOs generally come from the area they work in - thus share a lot of the attitudes.

I mostly agree. I support the 2A and can't see any problem in someone being able to defend themselves. I started as a LEO in NJ and due to the politics I never ran into anyone with a CCW. You tend to look at anyone carrying a gun who's not a LEO as a criminal working in that environment.

I changed my outlook when I went to work in AZ (for the feds) where everyone seemed to have a gun on or with them. I also worked in TX, CA, FL, MD, VA, and NY. I really wouldn't say it's an attitude but facts you have to face in the area you're working.

Even where it's not required I always felt better when someone told me they had a gun on or in the car.

All I ever asked of an armed person in a traffic stop is that they not play with their gun, so I didn't have to play with mine.


That's about what my response was when someone told me they legally had a gun in the car.
 
Amigo, Last time I was down in PR I met a retired Chicago LEO who owned a bar. When I walked in they were literally mopping blood off of the floor since he had just shotgunned an armed robber within the hour. He told me that as an LEO he never once discharged his weapon but had shot three people in defense since he had retired in PR. Bought me a beer and told my wife and I some great stories.
 
He told me that as an LEO he never once discharged his weapon but had shot three people in defense since he had retired in PR.
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hmmmm....I wonder what the odds are of being in 3 lethal force self defense situations.
 
The cops I know around my hometown are about as CCW friendly as you can get. Before the CCW's were law in KY, most of them didn't care about us packing even then. They are wise enough to know it is no threat to them and thugs don't care about laws anyway.
 
Many I know think it's a good thing. Here in Kali where our AWB still stands, many LEOs lament that they can't privately own an evil black rifle. Sure they can get one, but leave the job, lose the gun (ship it out of state):(
 
rapists/murderers set free on porole,
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set free on parole is the problem here....IMHO...

once upon a time, such ilk would have been justly and promptly executed....

let them excercise their 2A right to carry their guns in their coffins!
 
"There are just some people that have no business evening touching a gun I.E. Nutjobs, Violent convicts, and those with an IQ less than there shoe size."

The same could be said of those that wish to be / are LEOs.

My cousin was cop for 15 years. A bad decision for him, I think. Not because he was a thug, but because he was too tender-hearted to deal with all the violence he dealt with. He's a two-fisted alcoholic now because of it. He once told me,

"I wish EVERYBODY above the age of 18 was forced to be armed ALL the time. That way, they could handle their own problems, and leave me the hell alone..."

Police have a difficult job, to be sure, but most of us are quite capable of handling our problems without calling on them all the time.
 
Im283 wrote:
I would think asking that question on this forum is going to give skewed results.
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Maybe not skewed but possibly optimistic. On the other hand, those that do respond are likely to state whether the opinion is theirs alone or common amongst their co-workers.
 
I'm not trying to be the word-police here, but please understand that the correct context for usage of the word "civilian" is in contrast to MILITARY.
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Not to turn this into an etymology thread, but while that is indeed the classic and proper definition, you'll find that many groups of people, both military and professional casually refer to people outside of their profession as "civilians".

In other words, yeah you're right, but I wouldn't read too much into it.
 
This is a board dedicated to the protection of the second amendment and the discussion of guns, shouldn't the answer you are going to receive here be fairly obvious? Another point that should be made is that cops, like any other group, have differing opinions and values. Sure, there are those who think only cops should have guns, but they are a small minority, and an even smaller one on a forum dedicated to mostly "civilian" owned guns.
 
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You didn't answer the question. You simply narrowed the list of possible judges, and that's the crux of the argument.
Thanks for sharing how you feel about us having guns.
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actually, i think he did answer the question. i don't want to put words in his mouth, but what i believe i read can be summed up in the following short answer:

1. spartan55 personally believes that there are some people who probably ought not own firearms.
2. spartan55 also believes that no one is in a position to decide who is in that category.

here's where i get that idea:
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HOWEVER, NO man, NO elected official, No president, AND NO government should have the power to decide who should and who should not possess firearms
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i frankly see no reason why he needs to be put on the spot for that position. in fact, i'm guessing a lot of gun owners, LEOs or not, feel the same way.
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I agree. I don't think he's saying anything beyond "It would be nice if certain people just happened to not have a gun for certain reasons, but I feel that neither I nor anybody else has the right to force this to be the case."

There are certain people, such as the incredibly reckless and/or mostly blind that I don't feel should drive a car. I'm not pushing the issue of making sure they aren't allowed to.... and I think that's the same as what Spartan was saying. Nothing wrong with it so far as I can see. I'm surprised he took some heat for it.
 
YES, that is it exactly. I may have failed to put down the words in a way of expressing my opinion in a matter that some here could not understand.

Oh and by the way when I said "SOME people should not possess a firearm" I was not talking except Leos, "SOME people" includes: Man, Women, Child, Leo, Soldier, Marine, Any and all emergency personnel, as well as the rich, poor, middle class, High class, No class, and do not forget anyone with a race, religion, creed, Sexual orientation, The real deal or a wannabe. If I left anyone out I apolagize. We are all people. We are the people in "We the people"

Did I make my point this time?
 
Most cops are pro-gun
I remember once I stopped a van in which a guy was carrying the reciepts for several bars to the bank. Without going into details, we are talking a serious amount of cash. He "admitted" to me rather sheepishly that he was carrying a gun. a .22 target revolver. I told him he needed something bigger. After my shift was over, he was waiting for me, asking for suggestions on what to get - I still laugh about that one.
Another time, I had an audible alarm coming from a business in my district, got there and the door was open. I had orders to wait for the cavalry, some twenty minutes away. A little old guy from across the street came walking over, cane in one hand, double barrel in the other and said. "Sonny, (No kidding, he said "Sonny") I've never shot anything with this but ducks, but you look pretty lonely over here."
Most of us on the streets are very pro CCW. When and if you get pulled over, be respectful and identify yourself as a CCW immediately, then ask the officer how he wants to proceed. You might end up standing by the side of the road comparing collections with a new shootin' buddy.
Be safe
 
Sorry for sounding like an idiot, but I still don't get how you (S55) reconcile the ideas of "these people shouldn't be armed" with "no one can decide who can be armed."

If no one can make the decision, the decision can't be made. If the decision must be made, someone has to make it.
 
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Caught You Posting the Same Question in 2 different forums!!!!!

J/K - now i'm going to have to read all the responses from both and see how they compare.....
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Yup - my favorite forum - the Harley Forum : )
As you can probably see, things got a little more heated on the Harley thread.
Some times we bikers get a little carried away with the topics and how we respond.... : )

Do you ride???
 
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