Should 18 Year Olds Be Allowed to CCW?

Should 18 Year Old's Be Allowed to CCW

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Just for the sake of it I asked my 18 year old nephew if he and his friends should be allowed to conceal carry a handgun. He looked at me like I was from another planet and said, " Are you kidden me! We're all pretty well adjusted and fairly level headed, but carry guns!" " I don't think so, we all want to see our next birthday". " I don't think that any of us will go "postal", but I know that one of us will take it out to show another guy, and boom, accidential discharge." " We like to sneak our beers whenever we can, and the guns with the beer will only mean trouble".
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As per post #83 is your nephew really willing to admit in public that 18-year old Hoosiers are naturally more ethical, moral, mature, smarter, and all around generally better than him and his peers are?

Perhaps you might want to ask him that next.
 
Shouldn't you at least want to find the actual truth before you advocate depriving people of the right to self defense?
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You might want to read my post again and see what I said about allowing CCW.

Comparing what I stated to the anti gunners argument to disarm us all is disingenuous. The thread is about whether or not people think an 18 year old should be allowed to CCW. Based on my personal experience there is a huge difference in maturity between 18 year olds and 21 year olds. Would it be valid for me to base a decision on whether or not an 18 year old should be allowed to CCW using my experience with that age group of people? Yes. Should that be the sole basis for making my decision? No.

Further, I did not advocate taking away a persons right to self defense. Don't equate self defense with the ability to carry a gun because they are two different things. A gun is simply one of the tools you can use to defend yourself.
 
It comes down to the same thing it comes down to with every similar debate I have the 100% antis on this, we have the evidence, will you look at it? We don't need to guess how 18 year olds will behave with carried weapons because they already do it. Either what you believe will happen based on your experiences in life is true and happens and is easily proven, or you're just guessing and wrong. Shouldn't you at least want to find the actual truth before you advocate depriving people of the right to self defense?
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I've gotta say that as a newcomer to highroad I am absolutely shocked at some of the attitudes and comments here. I've been fighting the good fight for gun rights for decades now... and to see the virtually identical wording/emotional decisionmaking used here that is used by some of the most rabid gun-haters is quite a surprise.
 
Based on my personal experience there is a huge difference in maturity between 18 year olds and 21 year olds.
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Then that surely, easily explains why the thousands of under-21 CCW holders in Indiana shoot up the state almost every day, with hundreds of dead bodies littering the streets getting in the way of going to work.

Oh... wait. That doesn't happen with the under-21 CCW holders. They are as equally law-abiding as we older folk.

Perhaps that means that your "personal experience" is an invalid way of judging the situation, eh.

Further, I did not advocate taking away a persons right to self defense. Don't equate self defense with the ability to carry a gun because they are two different things. A gun is simply one of the tools you can use to defend yourself.
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And yes, this paragraph can easily come directly off from Sarah Brady's website.

Since one doesn't need a "gun" to defend themself, then no one really has a right to complain if we remove guns from them.

The question of "self defense" simply doesn't enter into the picture, does it? Don't equate self defense with the ability to carry a gun because they are two different things.
 
Before everybody jumps all over my azz for this post, I didn't vote but I do think 18 year olds should be allowed to carry concealed, buy pistols and drink.
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Hey Jack, which part of the last line of my post did you NOT understand?
 
Don't equate self defense with the ability to carry a gun because they are two different things. A gun is simply one of the tools you can use to defend yourself.
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So why deprive an ADULT the best means of self-defense? THAT my friend, is unconstitutional.
 
See above. Read the whole post. I just knew people would get all fired up about what I wrote and not even read through till the last line.
 
As per post #83 is your nephew really willing to admit in public that 18-year old Hoosiers are naturally more ethical, moral, mature, smarter, and all around generally better than him and his peers are?
Perhaps you might want to ask him that next.
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His answer would probably be no, they are not. But it would be a moot question simply because the post is opinionated verbiage with no facts or stats.
 
After reading and rereading every post on this thread I'm tired. I grow tired of reading about the thousands of under 21 CCW holders in Indiana. I grow tired of insinuations that saying anything other than what certain posters believe equates to being in league with Sarah Brady and similar groups.

Since I'm not a resident of Indiana, I don't really care how many Hoosiers there are. There are other colleges there as well. They certainly aren't any better than other citizens.

Self defense is the reason you carry concealed. There is no other valid reason. (Oh... I guess, because I can is another reason.) A handgun makes a good sinker for your fishing line I guess. Choose stainless if you use a gun for this purpose. :)

Good Day
 
To the person who posted about money issues with 18yo and younger, I can assure you that that isn't always the case. I am 16 and have a good job. Because of this I am able to buy a couple guns a year and lots of ammo. My parents occasionally buy me some ammo but I pay for all the new guns with my own money. (some are given to me such as family heirlooms) Be carefull lumping everyone into one group. And about you not wanting to own a handgun let alone carry one at 18, again, that is not always the case. The first gun I bought was a pistol and I do want to carry. I am in the process of convincing my mom to let me OC.
 
Self defense is the reason you carry concealed.
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I agree. The problem is, there are people who conceal and carry, that don't know when they can or can't use deadly physical force. I realize that different states have different laws in regard to DPF, and those who conceal carry in their state should know the law regarding DPF for their own good and the good of others. Unfortunately, I would venture a guess to say many don't know all the circumstances when they can legally shoot to kill.
I conceal carry and live in the liberal state of NY. It makes me sick to admit that (live in a liberal state), but it makes me even more sick when I hear another person who conceal carrys say, " If I saw that guy stealing my car, I'd start blasting." Now in some states that might be OK, in NY, he'd have a lot of questions to answer. Sixteen or eighteen, KNOW THE LAWS IN YOUR STATE IN REGARD TO USING DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE. ONCE THAT BULLET LEAVES THE BARREL, THERE'S NO GETTING IT BACK.
 
Rancid, I believe I posted something a while back in regard to folks under 18 and money. I'm glad you have a good job and can afford guns. Do you pay for groceries, rent, mortage, insurance, car, etc.? I bought guns when I was your age too and was always proud that I did it with my own money. There was no other money available for such things. Hope you are ready when the time comes to carry concealed. By the way, few things are always the case in this world.

You plan on carrying out away from town or all the time? That is one of the things that always got me. People say they OC but they don't say they only carry when they are out in the mountains or away from town stomping around. I see nothing particularly significant about carrying when you are hiking, hunting etc. or away from town. It's perfectly natural and normal. Doing it in Wyoming is a lot different from doing it in Cleveland.
 
Since I'm not a resident of Indiana, I don't really care how many Hoosiers there are. There are other colleges there as well. They certainly aren't any better than other citizens.
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I think it all comes back to Vermont.
I never envisioned that this question would become such an explosive ,divisive issue on THR.
But for over 100 years Vermonters of age 16 or more without parental permission have been able to carry.
And 7 other shall states and 5 may issue states have followed along at the age 18 guideline with no legislative adjustments for decades.
Why?
This system must work.18 year old's who have the maturity to apply for carry licenses have proven for at least 8 decades they are responsible enough to earn our trust.
Indiana,Maine,Montana,New Hampshire,North and South Dakota Wyoming,et alia,none have ever rolled back these laws as has been pointed out by many posters.
The reason being they have proven their ability to take on this ultimate responsibility ,for all these years, and have shown that they are up to the task.
No mass murders,no school slayings,no random killings that anyone of us know about.
The same sensibilities that our under 21 soldiers have always shown.
More credit should be given to these mature young people, and please,let there be less infighting among ourselves on this site.
 
But for over 100 years Vermonters of age 16 or more without parental permission have been able to carry.
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Is this concealed carry? I'm not familiar with Vermont laws. Vermont is a pretty state and a great place to grow up and raise kids. I hope nothing changes there with regard to handgun carry.
 
But for over 100 years Vermonters of age 16 or more without parental permission have been able to carry.
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I would not boast of a well kept secret too loudly. Vermont being an ultra liberal state, the ACLU are probably filing papers right now to overturn that law. Silence is golden!...;)
 
Is this concealed carry? I'm not familiar with Vermont laws. Vermont is a pretty state and a great place to grow up and raise kids. I hope nothing changes there with regard to handgun carry.
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Yes sir,this is concealed.I have a 2nd home in Vermont,so know this beautiful state well.
Your wish is my wish!

I would not boast of a well kept secret too loudly. Vermont being an ultra liberal state, the ACLU are probably filing papers right now to overturn that law. Silence is golden!...
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You are correct!I promise not to do it again.
 
After reading and rereading every post on this thread I'm tired. I grow tired of reading about the thousands of under 21 CCW holders in Indiana.
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Easy to grow "tired" when you find yourself without an answer to a simple question, eh.

I grow tired of insinuations that saying anything other than what certain posters believe equates to being in league with Sarah Brady and similar groups.
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Hard to grow tired from reading a non-existant post. Please find one here in this thread that makes that accusation.

But you can't do it, can you. Now you'll probably "grow tired" of that question also.

Since I'm not a resident of Indiana, I don't really care how many Hoosiers there are. There are other colleges there as well. They certainly aren't any better than other citizens.
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Well, our 18 year olds certainly can handle CCW much "better" than many of the posters here claim their 18-year olds can in their states.

I'd say that stakes a certain claim towards being superior, eh.

Self defense is the reason you carry concealed. There is no other valid reason. (Oh... I guess, because I can is another reason.) A handgun makes a good sinker for your fishing line I guess. Choose stainless if you use a gun for this purpose.
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And this has to do with 18 year olds carrying how?
 
Nowhere did I write a contradictory post. You still have not answered the question.
 
JackBurtonJr
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Take off the boxing gloves, tomorrow is another day. One thing great about this forum is that we can all post our thoughts, opinions and facts. We are all friends here, that's why we keep coming back. Thank God we live in the land of the free where we still have some rights left. Let's not loose any more. My best to all you pro gunners out there. Good night for now. Lock and load!..;)
 
Sigh..........
Easy to grow "tired" when you find yourself without an answer to a simple question, eh.
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Read my first couple of posts in this thread; in particular #74. My answer is based on my life's experience, not yours. I have nothing further to say and I'm tired of the argumentative posts. Good Night.
 
Read my first couple of posts in this thread; in particular #74. My answer is based on my life's experience, not yours.
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That's good because nothing I've posted here is based upon "my life's experiences" either.

That makes two of us who realize that my experience is worthless in helping make a decision.

However, the sure knowledge that tens of thousands of young men and women are carrying every day, safely, is pretty important to making a decision, eh.
 
I voted wait until 21. Here's why if some of you meet some of the boyfriends I had at that age you would vote the same as I did :D
 
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