shipping instate frustrations (Texas)

You posted it. Look for the word "intrastate".

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Once again; Intrastate has no meaning for the USPS. Perhaps you missed the part from the DMM that says: All firearm shipments have to conform to "...the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618) and 18 USC 921." Which says "No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped...."

The OP is shipping a long gun to a non-FFL holder. Non-FFLs are not "a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector", for whom notification does not have to be made. Therefore the OP must notify USPS he is shipping a long gun.

"No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped...."

So what you are saying is that USPS regs point to a Federal law which does not apply?

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So what you are saying is that USPS regs point to a Federal law which does not apply?

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It doesn't apply to intrastate shipments.

You do not have to tell the USPS you are shipping a firearm to another unlicensed state resident ( your local and state laws may say differently ).

You keep quoting a law for INTERSTATE movements.

I've had problems shipping intrastate here in Florida using UPS .. boring details and some law junk here:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=345235

Basically we are being railroaded.

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Xjchief, according to what you posted the answer is True. I have never had a problem with UPS. Sometimes I have had to show them their own regulations, but they have never refused a shipment from me. The occasional ignorant UPS clerk does not make federal law and UPS' regs inapplicable.

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I just went through this morning. They pulled up their own web page and agreed that according to it I was able to ship my 4 handguns to myself. However, their supervisor, some higher up in UPS they called, and the 800 number all confirmed that despite their web page's policy their super double secret squirrel policy is that the agents have that only allows guns to be sent to an FFL, a manufacturer, or a gunsmith.

FedEx was no better. I guess the airline will just have to lose them instead.

You do not have to tell the USPS you are shipping a firearm to another unlicensed state resident ( your local and state laws may say differently ).

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I'm pretty sure the USPS (Postal Service) regulations are different than UPS (United Parcel Serice) and other common carriers. I wouldn't try it at the post office.

Also, there's a difference between going to a Mailbox Express, UPS Store, or FedEx/Kinkos versus going to the main service center. The former is just an agent of the carrier.

My experiences

1. UPS written tariff states that firearms will be accepted between FFL's, from individuals to FFL's and between individuals if not contrary to state or Federal laws. HOWEVER, UPS policy from on high is that firearms will not be accepted for shipment between individuals. Some UPS hubs may only go by what is written and ship the firearms between individuals, but their OFFICIAL VERBAL policy, contrary to their written tariff is not between individuals. I have emailed UPS several times pointing out the contradiction between their written and verbal policies, to no avail.

2. FEDEX, by their written tariff, will not accept firearms shipments between individuals (I use individuals to mean non-FFL licensed persons).

3. USPS, by regulation, will mail long guns between individuals, when legal, from an individual to FFL, and handguns only between FFLs.

4. You are NOT required to notify the carrier, BY FEDERAL LAW or REGULATION, of a firearm being shipped INTRASTATE. and only required INTERSTATE if going to a non-licensee. By UPS and FEDEX written tariffs, however, you are required to notify them of the firearm.

Well, since the congresscritters probably won't do it (only a handful read the patriot act before signing it, afterall), maybe we could put our heads together and (or convince the NRA to) draft a bill that amends § 1715 (and whatever else), to allow handguns to be mailed via USPS intrastate between unlicensed residents.

We can use USPS to mail long guns, why not handguns too?

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Oh, for anyone who might not know:

Interstate = across the entire country.
Intrastate = within a state.

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