Forest Service Workers - Guns and Tools

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Dear S. Bob,

I have many views on all kinds of people, professions and the "LAW" regarding more intrusive laws and bs regulations on the "BOOKS". I am a radical, to some people - grin, PRO firearm, pro LIBERTY and PRO Constitution lady. I was always that way and brought up that way too.

I happen to think that there are GOOD and BAD people stateside and overseas/worldwide. That goes for ALL professions - good and bad.

Some who obey and follow the Constitution and some who do NOT or want to throw their weight around. That goes for ALL people, ALL professions and in ALL countries including our own.

I have good friends, past and present, (Dead and alive.) in ALL professions including the Military (My late husband was one of them.) and in police work - sheriff's department and in big cities back on the east coast. My own late GREAT grandfather on my late Mother's side - her Dad's side - was a NY policeman killed in the line of duty who left a widow with several children back when they did NOT have huge benefits. I have many past relatives in police work, the military (Back to the revolution times on my late Mother's side - they came over a few ships past the Mayflower.) and others in ALL professions. Although my late Father was a LEGAL Immigrant not an 'illegal alien' through Ellis Island - he had many in his family in ALL professions. Same as with my late husband (Former military - Vietnam Veteran, served over 20 years with the USN-destroyer and Air NG Fighter Wing plus his NON government job.) and my present husband.

So you see... all of OUR tax dollars pay for ALL of this... the programs that we WANT and need plus the ones that we do NOT want or need in ANY capacity.

There are good and bad in all people, all professions, all religions or lack thereof, all sexes, all ages, nationalities, all FILL IN THE BLANKS!!!

You will find that most people, including me, don't like the "Police State" in the sense of LOST LIBERTIES in gun rights, all freedom issues, etc. in PAST, PRESENT and most likely future years/administrations.

Just because someone is against the NWO police state if you call it that and I DO... does not mean that they are against ALL police people. I know that I am not. I hope that clarifies things for you along with tons of my older posts where I do tell about my super close FRIENDS who I love and respect who were in sheriff's departments (RURAL counties.) to big city agencies.

My own older brother worked for the government too. After his Army time in the late 50's/early 60's - he went to work for the '$goobmint$' as I like to tease him. He is now retired and is almost 10 years older from this 1950 baby! Grin.

I added more here. I open carry and I sure as __ carry in the forest. I don't carry in the national parks because for now... it is not allowed! Yes, I know that we are trying to change that garbage 'law'.

We have 2 legged and 4 legged creatures that are NOT always nice or SAFE to be around in many forests and remote areas. Seen that. Been there - done that.

Nice to meet you.

Gun control = control. Period!

Sincerely,

Catherine - Armed and Female - Montana Territory
 
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This is another reason WHY I think that people should be 'allowed to carry any which way - open or conceal' ANYWHERE.

The famous Duncan case out in Idaho.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/duncan/

Elsewhere on the internet news too.

This man as some of you already know from here/THR and in the past 'news' killed people in ID and in MT.

I know some of those VERY remote places here in Montana and in Idaho including some in other states since I do go off the beaten path in my travels. I don't go 'alone' that much anymore but I HAVE gone alone in some places. I used to have to travel alone back in farm/lake country (Late husband's home state.) and to east coast cities too. Born and raised on the east coast and lived in a rural area where there was NO CCW or loaded gun allowed in your vehicle too. Peons were not allowed to protect themselves due to the 'laws on the books'.

That is WHY I think that people should be allowed to Pack Heat in ANY part of the country including the District of Criminals aka D.C.

I have seen some 'winners' (NOT!) in remote areas (Mountains and ocean beaches.), in rural farm/lake areas and in the big cities.

Stay safe. Bad stuff can happen anywhere and at anytime no matter how careful you are.

Opinionated Catherine
 
remember, even in wilderness areas, you are much more likely to run across a problem human being than a problem bear

hence packing a glock 19 rather than a 338 rifle makes a lot of sense for these folks
 
Looks like lots of reasons why CCW should be allowed in all areas.

How many said someting like ".....the ranger/leo is HOURS away? .... vast areas to patrol."

In this case --MINUTES count when the officer is HOURS away.
 
To 23ORN:

Genetically superior trees are selected for their desirable characteristics. In order to determine if the cone is "ripe" for harvest, the shooter shoots the branch with the cone on it. The cone itself is not shot. The cones are generally pretty high up...over 100'. The cone is then inspected on the ground. If the cones are ready for harvest, climbers are sent up into the tree to pick them. If not, they come back a bit later and repeat the process. They do this with quite a number of trees in various areas to get a variety of genetically suitable stock. The seeds from the cone are then used to make seedlings for future plantings.
 
Yeah, that process is called establishing the first generation of superior trees. After shooting out the cones (branches) of the best trees in the forest, those seeds are used to establish a seed orchard. When those trees are large enough to begin producing seed, they start to harvest the seed and plant new seedlings. At a point, those best trees in the seed orchard have their seed segregated for a new nursery (the best of the best). That orchard is second generation superior. In the south, we are now regularly planting 2nd generation as it takes far less time to establish good seed orchards down here than the NW.

As to armed, imagine the lone forester working in the woods unarmed except perhaps for a machete and a staff. I have been shot at, been treed by wild animals (feral hogs or dogs), been nearly struck by countless cotton mouths (and some rattlesnakes and copper heads), had to swim creeks with all my gear above my head and fought off heat exhaustion or bone-chilling cold. And that does not even count tearing through heavy brush and briars for 10 hours a day in hurricane-damaged areas.

The enforcement guys have it easy. They get shot at about as much but don't have to do the rest. For consultants like me, I can carry on certain client properties. However, most foresters work for a company like Georgia Pacific or for the government and cannot carry. And like I said before, the forester does not clean bathrooms or lead guided tours, their domain not recreational facilities. They spend a tremendous time solitary in the forest.

Ash
 
As to armed, imagine the lone forester working in the woods unarmed except perhaps for a machete and a staff. I have been shot at, been treed by wild animals (feral hogs or dogs), been nearly struck by countless cotton mouths (and some rattlesnakes and copper heads), had to swim creeks with all my gear above my head and fought off heat exhaustion or bone-chilling cold. And that does not even count tearing through heavy brush and briars for 10 hours a day in hurricane-damaged areas.
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"... a-a-a-a-nd loving it..." (Courtesy Maxwell Smart, Agent 86.)
 
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I am friends with the US forest Service Patrol Captain in Utah. They do all kinds of stuff, from hunting down wildlife that are a danger to people to dope raids.

Here is a picture I have that he sent me from a dope raid (I cropped the picture just to show his primary weapon and some of the illegal contraband).

Doperaid.jpg

They pretty much all carry AR15's here I can tell you that much.

He also carries a Smith and Wesson M&P pistol if I recall correctly.
 
Forest Service LEOs are equiped no different than any other LEO. One of the biggest problems that Forest Service LEOs face is marijuana cultivators. The majority of marijuana grown in the U.S. is grown in public forests and parklands. The percentage of LEOs is very small compared to the total number of Forest Service employees.
 
Yeah, that process is called establishing the first generation of superior trees. After shooting out the cones (branches) of the best trees in the forest, those seeds are used to establish a seed orchard. When those trees are large enough to begin producing seed, they start to harvest the seed and plant new seedlings. At a point, those best trees in the seed orchard have their seed segregated for a new nursery (the best of the best). That orchard is second generation superior. In the south, we are now regularly planting 2nd generation as it takes far less time to establish good seed orchards down here than the NW.

As to armed, imagine the lone forester working in the woods unarmed except perhaps for a machete and a staff. I have been shot at, been treed by wild animals (feral hogs or dogs), been nearly struck by countless cotton mouths (and some rattlesnakes and copper heads), had to swim creeks with all my gear above my head and fought off heat exhaustion or bone-chilling cold. And that does not even count tearing through heavy brush and briars for 10 hours a day in hurricane-damaged areas.

The enforcement guys have it easy. They get shot at about as much but don't have to do the rest. For consultants like me, I can carry on certain client properties. However, most foresters work for a company like Georgia Pacific or for the government and cannot carry. And like I said before, the forester does not clean bathrooms or lead guided tours, their domain not recreational facilities. They spend a tremendous time solitary in the forest.

Ash
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Ah, you're a consulting forester. That's what my dad does for a living. Of course, this being Kentucky, pretty much everyone gives him permission to carry.
 
Things sure change over time. Used to be pretty much dont ask dont tell or inform the district ranger you where packing. Now its pretty much just a rifle and best let the ranger know first for the day too. Used to be just a ban on handguns in vehicles that was kind of ignored a lot.
 
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