Georgean guns; never fired, dropped once

i wonder where they got those from hmmm

Okay - what's the story behind the pile of the burned-up rifles?

The rifles, e tool and the buffer springs look vaguely familiar...

That's an awful lot of melted plastic!

i wonder where they got those from hmmm

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USA is a supplier of military aid & training to the Georgian military. The US had just finished military maneuvers with Georgia and had not finished shipping US-flagged equipment out of Georgia before Russian units confiscated it.

Looks like we should have provided more antiaircraft and counter artillery weapons.

The destruction of USA military materiel is a way for Russia to give USA the "finger".

Look at the rollmarks on the rifle in the third pic. Bushmaster!?!

All these M-4's appear to be rack rifles, not used in combat. The Russians no doubt got them out of a storage locker.

Look at the rollmarks on the rifle in the third pic. Bushmaster!?!

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Good eye!! I was looking for some and it looks like you may have found it. It does appear to be a cobra. I knew that rifle looked too much like mine in factory configuration. I have heard that Bushmaster has some .gov contracts to help augment Colt's supply.

I don't know for sure, but I think FN exclusively makes M16s for .mil now.

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I don't know for sure, but I think FN exclusively makes M16s for .mil now.

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Colt still has a hand in it.. .. ..

Current M16 rifles are made by FN USA, Colt lost the production contract in the 1990s. Colt still makes M4 carbines under contract for the US Military.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt's_Manufacturing_Company

You are somewhat correct. FN makes the M16. Colt still makes the M4 for .mil.

We've got plenty of Colt and FN rifles, but all the newer(ish) rifles I've seen were all FN. The ones that were really banged up (and are too worn out and should not be in service anymore) are colts. The M203s I've seen are Colt, FN, and LMT, I didn't even know the latter made 203s.

All these M-4's appear to be rack rifles, not used in combat. The Russians no doubt got them out of a storage locker.

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They rolled into the arsenals during truce talks and emptied them out. If they were smart they would have sold them back to us and made some money.

It's a way of giving us Yanks a rude gesture, and of making their own people feel strong again.

One of the big puzzles I can never figure out is why nations go to extra lengths to destroy captured weapons like rifles??? These are the spoils of war, aren't they? Why not keep them in storage? Sell them back to the US at .50 cents on the dollar? Sell them to the highest global bidder? Give one to every leader for a war trophy? I just don't get why you would destroy them? Keep them if, for NO OTHER REASON, the fact that they are a piece of history from the conflict.:banghead::banghead:

What nation couldn't use a little extra cash? Or even the good will of just giving them weapons back to the US? You figure there appears to be about 1000 rifles in those boxes. At $1000 a piece for the M4s, that's a $1,000,000! And it appears there were some crew served weapons in the pile too! A senseless act.

aye !

captured guns=free money....i`m serious.

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ugh... the least they could have done was sold the parts out to the US as surplus... I mean, we could have a couple thousand cheap AR mags, uppers, etc.

I just don't get why you would destroy them? Keep them if, for NO OTHER REASON, the fact that they are a piece of history from the conflict

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Well, I guess the media was there at the time. Russia probably wanted to make a statement about US intervention. I'm sure Russia Kept most of what they found, especially the really cool toys.

sad to see

Vladimir Klintonov bombed the Serbs and snatched Kosovo from them!! Kosovo had been part of Serbia since the 1300s. Russia was not pleased, but could do nothing about it!! This time they could!! Payback is a bitch!!

These are the spoils of war, aren't they? Why not keep them in storage? Sell them back to the US at .50 cents on the dollar?

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The Russians have been doing exactly that with captured German K98 Mausers for years.

Glad the Georgians came out of this better than when Russia decided to re-annex their own "breakaway" Chechnya. It would be a sad thing to see T'bilisi become like Grozny. The Georgians lost come equipment, suffered casualties, but they did not lose their nation (at least in the present). All the same, it is interesting to see the concern the Russians had for their "citizens" with passports in North Ossetia as weighed for Russia's concern for citizens on national soil in Chechnya and Dagestan. The concern for blood shed in another nation's break away province seemed far greater than in their own break away province.

But, then, I suppose it is the cowardly Georgians and their guns which where "never fired, dropped once" that is the topic of this post. Russia should continue to confiscate equipment of their neighbor as they see fit. It seems only fair. At least now that we can no longer ridicule the French collapse before the German invasion and their subsequent rifle usage termed "never fired, dropped once" we have another army to poke fun of.

In any case, I do agree, this should be about guns. So, here's a pretty good shot of a Russian soldier in Grozny (or is that a Chechan? He's got an AKM).
There's also this shot of firing into Grozny. That doesn't look like a 72 to me, is it a T64? This is also a great photo of an SVD in action.


Ash

OH! Well! I guess they will be needing some more foreign aid huh????