We Dont Need CCW on Campus...

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Just got this e-mail today from the University of Miami Police Dept.

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CRIME ALERT


Date of Incident: September 13, 2008, 1:05 A.M.

Location: 5965 Ponce de Leon Blvd., Coral Gables, Florida (West of Plummer Building)

Coral Gables Police Department Case Number: 08-007638

At approximately 1:05 A.M. four students were walking back to campus from the Shops at Sunset Place. Four subjects were walking several yards ahead of them. The subjects stopped in front of the building at the incident address. They allowed the victims, who were walking on the sidewalk, to pass. When the victims passed, the subjects robbed them at gunpoint.

The subjects, who were described as young black males wearing white tee-shirts or tank tops and jean shorts, fled west from the rear of the incident location.

The case is under investigation by the Coral Gables Police Department.


Keep these key safety tips in mind:
- Report all suspicious activity immediately by calling (305) 284-6666.
- To request a UM Police safety escort, call 305-284-6666 or use any blue light telephone.
- Lock dorm room doors overnight and while the room is unoccupied.
- Report all emergencies immediately by calling 911.
- Visit the UMPD website for personal safety information.
- Visit the UMPD website for more information on self-defense programs.


Anyone with information regarding this crime or information that may lead to the apprehension of this individual, is asked to call UM Police at 305-284-6666 (8-6666 from a campus phone), or call Crimestoppers at 305-471-TIPS (8477) where you will remain anonymous and become eligible for a cash reward.



www.miami.edu/police



Post this alert as necessary to keep our community informed.


This information is being provided in accordance with the requirements of “Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act” (20 U.S.C. section 1092 (f)).
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This took place about 3/4 to a mile away from my apartment.

Which one of the safety tips would have stopped the students from being shot if the perps so chose?
 
We Dont Need CCW on Campus...
Wait... Yes we do!
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A fine argument.Will UM heed it?
With Shalala there, this is a very silly question.
Donna has learned nothing from VT.And then you have Coach Randy"don't take your guns to town" Shannon on campus.
Good luck in seeking change in Coral Gables.
 
To request a UM Police safety escort, call 305-284-6666 or use any blue light telephone
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Wonder how big their overtime budget is. . . I can see abuse of that phone number being a good thing.
 
That's only works if your going to 2 spots on campus. These kids were walking back from a little downtown ish kind of area back to campus, and the crime happened like on the very outer edges of campus... like the sidewalk they were walking on was the boundary... so that escort thing would not have worked.
 
That's only works if your going to 2 spots on campus. These kids were walking back from a little downtown ish kind of area back to campus, and the crime happened like on the very outer edges of campus... like the sidewalk they were walking on was the boundary... so that escort thing would not have worked.
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As said, you have to change the whole administration.
But you knew what the leadership on that campus was like when you signed on,'gator.
There should be no surprises there.
 
There are no surprises. I was fully aware. I have no reasonable expectation for change whatsoever. Miami is the most liberal city in Florida and has in fact tried to pass its own personal AWB in the past. They ban pit bulls for god sake! So no, I don't think I'll be able to walk onto campus with a concealed firearm in my lifetime nor will my children in theirs. Granted, I don't intend to live in Miami that long, I'm just saying.
 
Granted, I don't intend to live in Miami that long, I'm just saying.
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I didn't mean to sound harsh on you 'gator.You're there to get an education and UM has a fine Law School.And I'm sure you'll escape the moment Donna(or hopefully some more sane person)hand's you your diploma.
And BTW,from my job travels, Ft.Liquordale may be even more liberal than Miamuh!:D
 
No way. I grew up in Ft. Lauderdale. It is far from conservative, but not nearly as liberal as Miami, although, it is getting there... And I didn't think you were harsh and I'm sorry if I sounded like I was staunchly defending myself.
 
No way. I grew up in Ft. Lauderdale. It is far from conservative, but not nearly as liberal as Miami, although, it is getting there... And I didn't think you were harsh and I'm sorry if I sounded like I was staunchly defending myself.
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Cool,compadre.
A beer on me at Foxe's on South Dixie by the campus, next time I'm down your way!
 
I was robbed in the shadow of the 960 Towers when I was a student at the UofM in 1981.
 
They should sue.
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Not a bad idea if enough people do it. Money talks when it comes to universities. If they are losing millions every year due to their victim disarmament policies then plugging that financial drain will be priority #1.
 
Funny you should mention this topic. Our college just had two experts come in and debate this very topic - CCW on campus. The opponent of CCW just did not make good points.

He claimed that free speech and debate would suffer because people wouldn't be comfortable discussing things if they were talking to an armed person. He then went on to say a free nation needs free discourse, almost linking handguns with the toppling of nations. The problem with this is that they wouldn't know you're armed. It's called concealed carry for a reason. And the fall of a nation?? That just strikes me as fear mongering and grasping at thin air.

The thing that most bothered me is that he kept referring to CCW holders as untrained civilians - Like we're some group of nuts that just goes around packing heat willy nilly. When I showed him the formal list of requirements after the debate he then said it's not as much training as police officers. Um, yeah.... 'ya got me there, skippy! The only problem is that CCW holders do not perform the same function as police officers. CCW holders typically don't get into drawn out gun battles and should retreat from a bad situation, if possible. Why would you link CCW training and police training when the duties of both are completely different? So would that mean LEO's are dangerous since they have relatively less training than a SWAT officer? I think not.

He then went on to give cherry picked and misleading statistics. He also said the Virginia Tech kid passed background checks, pointing out that flaws won't keep criminals from CCWing. Last time I looked the background check for purchasing was much less stringent than for a CCW permit.

There was more, but if I got into it I would really bust a vein in my head. Gotta' love it!! :cuss: :fire: :mad:
 
And exactly how would having CCW prevented this situation?

Seems the suspects got the drop on the victims.
 
And exactly how would having CCW prevented this situation?

Seems the suspects got the drop on the victims.

Prevent it, not entirely. However having a concealed weapon would likely have stopped it. As to the perpetrators getting the drop on the victims - not really - they saw them in front and actually walked by them. Personally speaking, I would have had a hand on a weapon. If it's 1 AM and I see strangers unknown to me waiting to get behind me, it's an automatic alert signal. The same anytime a stranger is within 21 yards, at night, automatic alert.
 
Yes, they walked by them and then robbed them at gunpoint. Well, to me that would suggest that the victims had their backs to them.

Carrying a concealed gun could have prevented them from being robbed. I guess it would depend on how confident you are in your quickdraw, and how desperate the robbers were. Both sides would have been armed.

And while it may be an alert signal to you, it obviously wasn't anything to the victims. So again, I don't see how having a gun would have affected the outcome.

It could have stopped them from being robbed. It also could have resulted in deaths on both sides since they were robbed at gunpoint.

Perhaps we shouldn't be focusing on the CCW aspect, but they fact that these people weren't situationally aware enough. Carrying a gun is not an excuse to be lax about everything else.
 
This was a failure of situational awareness, not a failure to have a gun.

Crossing the street or taking a detour a block over to get away from these guys would have stopped the situation.

I'm not likely to confront a robber who already has the drop on me with a gun, unless I'm walking with a woman and I fear for her safety above and beyond her purse. I hope some of you are sensible enough to not worry about the hundred bucks in your wallet, but also know the distinction between potential upcoming rape and murder.

Not saying college students shouldn't have guns. Far from it.

But this wasn't a gun situation, it was situational awareness.
 
That's true, but usually a CCWer is more situationally aware. Most kids never think about it an just walk around all fine and dandy. A person who goes through the class and actually carries a firearm is usually more aware of his surroundings.
 
That's true, but usually a CCWer is more situationally aware. Most kids never think about it an just walk around all fine and dandy. A person who goes through the class and actually carries a firearm is usually more aware of his surroundings.
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This is why CCW must be seen as a lifestyle change.
 
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