Colorado State University reexamines gun policy in light of VT...Guns on campus A-OK!

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Colorado State University reviews gun policy after VT...Guns on campus still A-OK!

Some blissninny comments from students, but at least the university gets it.

http://www.collegian.com/home/index...Story_id=a7ee25db-fc90-49c3-ae13-6e3f72fa2de0

CSU reexamines gun policy
By: James Holt
Posted: 8/30/07

CSU and other schools across the nation were forced to reevaluate campus security after a lone gunman massacred 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in April. But while many universities prohibit concealed firearms on campus as a measure of safety, CSU still allows those with permits to carry guns.

The university's gun policy, officials said, is in accordance with state law.

State law allows individuals with concealed-weapon permits to carry their weapons in all areas of the state except those restricted by state law. But public universities are not considered restricted areas, said Jackie Swaro, public information officer for the CSU Police Department.

After the law allowing guns on college campuses went into effect in 2003, CU-Boulder appealed to the Colorado Attorney General and had their campus turned into a restricted area - a step CSU chose not to follow, said Brad Bohlander, a CSU spokesman.

Instead, the vice president, administrative services and the general council met with CSUPD and studied the issue. In the end, CSUPD made the recommendation that state law continue on campus.

"[We] determined it was best to follow the expertise and direction of the state law rather than try to circumvent or go beyond the law," Swaro said in an e-mail interview. "There was no concrete or anecdotal information available that could show if it is safer to allow or not allow individuals with a lawful permit to carry concealed weapons on campus."

CSUPD has no statistics on the number of gun crimes that have occurred on campus, but Bohlander said there have been "none in recent years."

Since 2003, 33 weapon violations have been issued on campus, according to 2006 crime statistics released by CSUPD.

Even with the low level of gun crime at CSU, the Virginia Tech massacre had the administration giving their policy a second look. In May, the CSU office of the president provost began to reevaluate the policy.

Four months later, the policy remains the same.

"No further decisions have been made," Bohlander said. "But it is being looked at."

But as Virginia Tech students returned to class last week for the first new semester since the massacre, memories of the tragedy have some wondering if CSU's own gun policy needs changing.

"I'm surprised," said Rachael Wells, a sophomore nutrition and food sciences major. "I would just assume there's no guns period."

Brian Gley, a junior natural resources major, agrees.

"I'm a gun holder … but I don't see any reason for it in a public area," he said. "The only thing it would do is cause problems."

Though CSUPD recognizes that events like the Virginia Tech massacre are unpredictable, it has developed set guidelines for students based on the best practices established by CSUPD and other law enforcement experts, Swaro said.

"If (students) see anything suspicious, don't ever hesitate to call the police … It's never a waste of time," Bohlander said. "Our police can be in any building in a minute or two, and they're highly trained in these situations."

While campus itself is an unrestricted area for permitted gun carriers, all residence halls are restricted. Those living in residence halls must check-in their weapons with CSUPD.

Staff writer James Holt can be reached at [email protected].

Guidelines for students in an on-campus attack (source: CSUPD)

If it is possible to do so safely:

1. Immediately exit the building, moving away from the immediate path of danger.

2. Notify anyone you may encounter to exit the building immediately.

3. Evacuate to a safe area away from the danger and take protective cover. Stay there until assistance arrives.

4. Call 911, which will connect you with highly trained CSU Police Department dispatchers, providing information.

5. Individuals not immediately impacted by the situation are to take protective cover, staying away from windows and doors until notified otherwise.



If exiting the building is not possible:

1. Go to the nearest room or office.

2. Close and lock the door.

3. Turn off the lights.

4. Seek protective cover under a desk or table or anywhere else that offers some concealment.

5. Keep quiet and act as if no one is in the room.

6. Do not answer the door.

7. Notify 911, if it is safe to do so, providing each dispatcher with relevant information.

8. Wait for law enforcement officers to assist you out of the building. © Copyright 2007 Rocky Mountain Collegian
 
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Your title is a little misleading - CSU policy hasn't changed. "Guns on campus still A-OK." Now I'd be shocked if Boulder changed theirs.
 
If exiting the building is not possible:

1. Go to the nearest room or office.

2. Close and lock the door.

3. Turn off the lights.

4. Seek protective cover under a desk or table or anywhere else that offers some concealment.

5. Keep quiet and act as if no one is in the room.

6. Do not answer the door.

7. Notify 911, if it is safe to do so, providing each dispatcher with relevant information.

8. Wait for law enforcement officers to assist you out of the building


9. Draw and take cover preparing to stop the threat if needed...

10. Reload and repeat if still needed... ;)
 
Being a graduate of Colorado State, I'm glad to see it. I'm a little surprised though. The influx of Kalifornians and other similar ilk to the state of Colorado has changed the makeup of the state and I would have suspected CSU would have followed CU. CSU was always more open minded though.
 
WSU in Pullman WA.. "Play dead"..

Yeah, that'll fixe'm..

You're not a believer in the email alerts of protection?

After the law allowing guns on college campuses went into effect in 2003, CU-Boulder appealed to the Colorado Attorney General and had their campus turned into a restricted area - a step CSU chose not to follow, said Brad Bohlander, a CSU spokesman.

Not much of a law, then. So did the state pass a law allowing guns on campuses, and if so, why was Boulder able to bypass it? I see they whined to the AG, but did the law give him power to decide where it mattered? Seems...odd.

CR
 
Well, great! More colleges should get the idea and allow guns on campus. But alas, they remain ignorant.

Indeed, this would have been bigger news had they changed their policy instead of simply deciding that it was fine the way it was. Still makes me happy, though.:)
 
I'll make the same challenge to Colorado CCW instructors that I made to Utah. Teach college students for free.

The more people you get with skin in the game, the more likely that you'll keep CCW in schools, or even grow it.

Plus students are usually poor and living paycheck to paycheck. For them, getting quality instruction can be a real challenge.

When I started teaching college students for free after Virginia Tech, I was expecting some of them to not pay attention, because they didn't have an "investment" in the class. Not at all. They've been great, and they appreciate an instructor taking the time for them specifically.
 
Brian Gley, a junior natural resources major, agrees.

"I'm a gun holder … but I don't see any reason for it in a public area," he said. "The only thing it would do is cause problems."
I can think of a rather large problem it could have solved, actually.
Though CSUPD recognizes that events like the Virginia Tech massacre are unpredictable, it has developed set guidelines for students based on the best practices established by CSUPD and other law enforcement experts, Swaro said.

"If (students) see anything suspicious, don't ever hesitate to call the police … It's never a waste of time," Bohlander said. "Our police can be in any building in a minute or two, and they're highly trained in these situations."
So could the VTPD. How'd that work out, Brad? Having an adequately staffed, equipped and trained PD- while exceedingly valuable- is not the solution to every problem. Cops aren't everywhere, and they can't be.

Mike
 
WSU in Pullman WA.. "Play dead"..
I'll make the bad guy play dead. But I don't think thats what they mean.
 
"If (students) see anything suspicious, don't ever hesitate to call the police … It's never a waste of time," Bohlander said. "Our police can be in any building in a minute or two, and they're highly trained in these situations."

When, oh WHEN, will every learn: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"?

:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
You're not a believer in the email alerts of protection?

Many professors ask students to turn off their cell phones in class. They seem to believe that class time should be focused on instructional matters, a concept that seems to be no longer in fashion at some universities.

A university that relies on text messages to alert students that they might shortly be murdered should consider having runners standing by to shout "Turn on your cell phone!" at each classroom.

Imagine a professor addressing a classroom of students chatting on their cellphones or checking e-mail on their laptop computers. "Ladies and gentlemen," he says, "I am trying to teach. Please pay attention." Immediately the students respond: "But President Charles W. Steger said we need to stay alert for warnings. Do you want us to die?"

My hope is that somewhere there is a group of scientists working diligently on a cure for stupidity. Priority dosages should be given to university presidents and administrators, or maybe to the politicians who put them into positions where they can cause so much damage, or maybe even to the parents who allow such things.
 
What do you suppose would happen if a student gunned down a psycho in self defense in a liberal school? Would the school prosecute the defender? How would the media handle it?
 
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