how come .357/.44 magnum don't come in autoloader style hand guns?

duplicate post! Sorry!

I have a Desert Eagle .357 magnum. Really a great pistol. However it will only work with full power 158gr jacketed bullet loads, and it is large and heavy!

The Desert Eagle in .357 mag is sort of like having a Browning 50 caliber machine gun in 5.56mm!

Seriously, it is a great pistol. Reliable and accurate. Kind of neat how the rimmed ammo stacks into the magazines. I've never had any issues with the rims hanging up.

For what a Desert Eagle costs(I inherited mine), a person could buy two or three top quality revolvers!

There are a few inbetweens 10 mm is a good one and then of course you can go with the desert eagle and the 50 cal 44 combo. The 45 acp+p is a pretty good home round or not...

The 357 mag. is a real good round and one that has been used by many...In home defense the 357 Sig is a good one, but I would go for the 9+p with the extra cap mags if it was a situation, where, wanted.

I have many weapons and I change them around, not as much as I change knives though

The revolver is where many like the heavie's and rightfully so...But there are plenty of weapons to go around...Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades I guess...The petty arguements are just that, petty...

Practice to hit what you aim at is more important than arguing between a 357 or another, that is close to perfect, for another person...Must be why there are so many weapons available...

There was a pistol resembling a giant 1911 called the LAR Grizzly that had an available chambering in .44 Magnum. (It was originally made for a purpose-built autoloader cartridge, the .45 Winchester Magnum.) It is neither light nor handy, however. I believe the company is still in business, but no longer making handguns.

If it were me and wanted the power of a .357 in an auto pistol I would have to get a 10mm. I don't know all the ballistic's but both can use up to 180 grain bullets, maybe a bit heavier and push them near the same velocities. I'm sorry, I don't have my loading manual handy but I think they are close. LM

So buy a Desert Eagle. I think someone was running a sale on spare tires for the bipods not long ago.

If it were me and wanted the power of a .357 in an auto pistol I would have to get a 10mm. I don't know all the ballistic's but both can use up to 180 grain bullets, maybe a bit heavier and push them near the same velocities. I'm sorry, I don't have my loading manual handy but I think they are close. LM

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The ten will do anything the .357 will do (other than shoot .38s) and can do it with bigger bullets. However, some of the 1911s like the Delta were a little fragile in this caliber, a little much for a normal size/strength locked breach gun. There are a few guns out there, though, in 10 that have a good reputation like the G20, awesome gun, fired one before. 10mm IS your .357 auto IMHO.

The .45ACP +P loads will push over 500 ft lbs energy with a BIG bullet of course. You really need no more for self defense from an auto. Ditto the .40 S&W if you like .357 energy levels. I'm not sure there really is a NEED for a .357 auto, probably why the Coonan died. It's not an autoloader round, case is made for revolvers.

"need" ?? What does need have to do with guns??

No longer in my safe, but this standard 5" Model B fed everything I gave it without a hitch. Reliable, and one of my most accurate pistols ever.

As far I know DEagles are still availible in .357 and .44

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AHHH! The pain! Another tidbit of my soul claimed by the "D" word!...

Why would you wanna fire .38/.357 out of anything but a REVOVER =b?

Bflobill

So basically, you can get a .357 mag s/auto pistol that throws th ebrass all over the place and is ammo sensitive, that you can't shoot .38 Specials in or a revolver that will function with either light or heavy loads and you don't have to chase your brass.

.357 mag is a REVOLVER cartridge. You can build a pistol that it will work in but it was designed for a revolver and therefore is most efficient in a revolver platform. .45 ACP was designed for an auto pistol. You can build a revolver for it, but it works best in an auto pistol. If you want .357 mag performance in an auto pistol, go with the .357 SIG, .38 Super, or 9mm+P+. If you want .45 ACP performance in a revolver get a .45 Colt or .44 Special.

Actually, the .45 ACP revolvers work better and are more justifiable than .the .357 mag autos.

There was one other variant out there back about 15 or 20 years ago. LAR made it's "Grizzly Mag" that had a changeover for 45 Win Mag, 10 mm, and 357 magnum. A friend of mine had one with all the accessories. I wonder if he ever sold it or if he still has it.

Rims Still Work in Autos.

Um..... my Ruger target .22s MK1 and 22/45 both shoot ammo that's rimmed.

They do it reliably, too. Just because it's easier to engineer an auto pistol to deal with rimless and revolvers to use a rim, the reverse CAN be done successfully in both cases. To think otherwise is simply wrong.

That being said, the larger rims on ammo developed for double action revolvers to give the extractor enough purchase to reliably do its job just doesn't work as well as a rimless design. It makes engineering a bit more ticklish, but the people who regularly shoot Smith M52s have proven it can be done. Ruger convertibles will headspace their 9mm and .45ACP cartridges properly in their cylinders.

Sorry, I see a big deal of difference between positions of "it can't be done" and "it's difficult."

If you want .357Mag performance in a semi-auto you have two choices; the new 357 Sig, which is a .40S&W cartridge necked down to take .357 bullets or, the 38 Super which was designed from day one to put .357Mag capabilities in a 1911 style weapon. The 38 Super was not very popular in the US for many years because except for law enforcement and a few afficionados, who loved its inherent accuracy, nobody wanted it because the .45ACP was king of the semi-autos. Lately it has been rediscovered by the IDPA/IPSC shooters because of its accuracy and ability to meet major classification without having to push the safety envelope the way you have to get a 9mm to meet major.

The 38 Super was not very popular in the US for many years because except for law enforcement and a few afficionados, who loved its inherent accuracy

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Actually, the .38 Super is inherently inaccurate. The reason is that it is a semi-rimless cartridge designed to headspace on the rim. Modern guns (including newer M1911s) chambered for the .38 Super have a slightly different chamber configuration designed to headspace on the case mouth (like the .45 ACP). So chambered, the .38 Super can turn in gilt-edged accuracy, but it wasn't always that way.

the new 357 Sig

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ok, I giggled a bit on that one.

The 357Sig is now 14 years old... time flies.

Ugly

well, the only reason i hate revolver hand guns is that, most aren't the best looking. souless80

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I'm not talking performance - but how do you compare a slabsided piece of black polymer to a dome blue, bone case hardened frame, with elephant ivory grips. If you really want to get fancy throw in some class A engraving.

Guess beauty truly is in the eyes of the beholder!!!