41 magnum, why?

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  1. whatnickname

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    My guess is that Ruger isn’t selling all that many of their 44 Special GP100. I base that on the volume of used 44 Specials I see on the GB site. I figured the life span of this model may be somewhat limited. That’s why I bought three of them. For the life of me, I would have made the stainless model in 4” barrel configuration rather than 3”. I own two 3” and one 5”. Once these go out of production, mine will be worth more over time. I really hope Ruger will listen to the 41 crowd and follow suit with a five shot GP100. I think the 41 Special idea would sell like hot cakes! Only time will tell!
     
  2. Antihero

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    That's a Taurus 415 isn't it?
     
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    You aren't wrong about the better 357 mag thing but it's not 100 percent valid now because no one really seems to make a 357 frame 41 magnum. They just use 44 magnum frames or the gun is also available in 44mag.

    I'm pretty sure the closest we can get in the Taurus Tracker, since it's a 5 shot 41mag and a 7 shot 357 mag.....the problem is it's also a 44 mag too.

    I'm also setup to reload 44 already so from a realistic standpoint it really just makes sense to do a 44 mag, no matter how much I'm enamored with off beat cartridges
     
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    Yes, it's a 415.
     
  5. Charlie98

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    There you go, trying to be reasonable, again. I can think of a bunch of rifle cartridges I shoot that just sticking with the .30-06 or .308 would have made more sense... but what fun is that? Variety is the spice of life...
     
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    They sold every one they made, as soon as they were made. They were a distributor special and as such, already spoken for. If the distributor orders more, they will make more.
     
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    Yesterday I was talking to one of my coworkers, who happens to be an extremely attractive woman. I mean the kind of beautiful where you forget what you were talking about the second she walks in the room. She mentions that she carries off the clock, and she packs a 41 magnum.

    I almost asked her to marry me right there on the spot, but unfortunately the me too movement ruined that for all of us.
     
  8. Dave T

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    I've owned two 41 Mag Blackhawks, a M 57 S&W, and a Mod 58 Smith, all back in the 1970s and early '80s. My opinion is the only reason to own a 41 Mag is the now discontinued Model 58. What a cool gun!

    When my M 28 duty gun went south (timing, end shake, carry up) I bought a used M 58 and carried it in my uniform holster until my department authorized the semi auto. And yes, I reloaded for it, even my duty ammo. The Rem "LEO" round with its swaged lead bullet started key-holing by the 6th round. I loaded a 215g cast SWC for about 900 fps. It shot much better and was controllable.

    Dave
     
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  9. MaxP

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    I still have the desire to own a Model 58....some day.
     
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    So did I... until I fell into this slightly cosmetically damaged 58 from a friend of mine. It won't win any beauty contest, but it's a darling in my eyes when I shoot it...

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  11. MaxP

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    VERY NICE!!
     
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  12. Deltaboy1984

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    NO it just fills the gap between 357 and 44
     
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  13. Rule3

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    I sold my M 58 so am no longer a member of the "Club" useless to me,
    Folks on the SW forums go Ga Ga for them
     
  14. Antihero

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    You aren't wrong
     
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    I bought a nice 6" model 57 last year from Gunbroker but when I got it, it had issues that were unacceptable considering what I paid for it. Maybe again some day......

    Need to decide what to do with my .41 Blackhawk.
     
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    @460Shooter When I was dating my now wife she said to me “You carry right? I want to go shooting with you.” As soon as she dropped the first mag at the range she turned to me and said “I’m getting a carry permit and this is mine now.” I bought a ring that week.
     
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    All this conversation has me wanting a 5 shot 41 with a 3 inch barrel.

    A Special would do great as that is about all the power I want in a gun that size anyway...210's at around 1,000 fps would make a nice carry gun and load.
     
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  18. Slamfire

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    I recall reading Elmer Keith's disappointment with the 41 Magnum. Basically he wanted something that could be packaged in a K frame, push a 200 grain bullet bullet 900 fps, for Police work. That did not happen. In the early 60's it was all about cubic inches and more horsepower, so when the 41 Magnum came out in an N frame, maybe the round was plenty powerful, but the revolver that carried it was also very heavy for every day carry. And then the comparisons, why carry a N frame in something smaller than the 44 Magnum?

    For me, if I want less recoil, then I shoot 1000 fps loads in my M629

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    but what I do most, is shoot 44 Special loads, in 44 Specials:

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    The four inch M624 is still bulky, but the weight is not too bad. I never saw the need for a 41 Magnum and if I were in the minority, there would be a lot more 41 Magnums around.
     
  19. Charlie98

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    And yet, here you are.... the power of the .41 compels you.
     
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    Expensive week, but good for you..
     
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    I’ve always wanted a .41... and only when I stumbled on a 7.5” Redhawk languishing unloved for months in a Police-oriented gun store did I find one that sang to me....Plus the guy consigning it really needed the $$ for Attorney’s fees and took my lowball offer! :thumbup:

    Now it’s one of my all- time favorites!

    Someday, with the grace of God and a winning lottery ticket in hand, a nice 4” 57 or 657 and a Marlin 1894 will grace my safe and my transformation to .41 Jedi will be complete...

    Stay safe!
     
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    "Why .41 Magnum?", my answer would be "Why not .41 Magnum?" ;)
     
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  23. gspn

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    I own both, and I reload. If I all I was doing were target shooting, and I didn't reload, I wouldn't own either. :D

    I'll add this: virtually nobody would own a 44 mag right now if the movie Dirty Harry hadn't come out in 1971. In that movie, Clint Eastwood actually carried a 41 mag Model 57. So that's why you should get one.

    When Dirty Harry came out, the Model 29 wasn't even being produced anymore because there was no demand for it. The movie came out, made it famous, and the rest is history. Below is a link to an American Rifleman article on the topic.

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/7/23/dirty-harrys-model-29-americas-shooting-star/

    I love my Model 29, but if it hadn't been for Dirty Harry coming out when I was 2 years old, I might never even have heard of it. It might have been as obscure at this point in time as the 44 Russian.
     
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    I've got a .41 Mag and love it, I've had a lot of different cartridges but there's something about the .41 Mag that's hard to put my finger on.

    Maybe part of the reason I like it is because it's obscure, I mean it's not exactly popular but should be because it's a great option with a lot of versatility. Power wise, the .44 Mag is more powerful, but not that much more powerful, both are straight walled cases, one shoots a .410" bullet, the other a .429", so there's really not much size difference. The .44 has more bullet variety and more gun options, and if I were to be completely gut level honest with anyone about it, the .44 is probably the more reasonable choice between the two.

    The .41 is more efficient, because it has less case capacity it won't eat up as much powder vs. the .44. It does recoil a bit less too and once again, to be completely honest, the .41 Mag will do 99.99% of what the .44 will for the vast majority of people, it's not lacking in power, it's just slightly behind the .44 Mag. As a reloader, comparing a few of the hottest I've fired from both, a 44 Mag 240gr JHP @ ~1650 fps vs. .41 Mag 265gr @ 1550 fps (hardcast 265gr, similar speed with 210gr JHP).
     
  25. RealGun

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    I was shooting my 41 Special, 3" GP100, yesterday with a 210 Xtreme plated TCFP and 7.4 gr Power Pistol, a Brian Pearce load, and it hurt the web of my hand badly enough to curtail further shooting without a glove and cause me to go home and reinstall the Hogue Tamer grips I had on a former GP100 .357. They were not really any bigger for concealment than the modified Eagle rosewoods I had been using. They are tacky rubber though.

    I will be looking to reducing that load or trying something else with two conclusions...the gun is not to be treated as a macho magnum, and that .41 Magnum in the GP100 would be insane for me and other average guys.
     
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