Some questions about the Budd Dwyer suicide.

Ghoulish.
Cold.
Insensitive.

Grow up.

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"Ghoulish.
Cold.
Insensitive.

Grow up."

Lighten up a bit Francis.

The OP didn't advocate suicide, post a link to the graphic video, or make disparaging or humorous remarks.

He just asked a few questions in respectful manner. There is nothing ghoulish, cold, or insensitive about information, and that was all the OP was seeking.

As someone majoring in Criminal Justice with a very big interest in both Forensics, and Homicide Investigation, I find his questions legit and interesting.

Did Dwyer use a .38 special round or does electronic recording equipment not pick up that loud boom you usually hear from a .357?

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It seems to me that standard recording technology doesn't get across the volume of a firearm's report, let alone the feeling of the shockwave. Videos on YouTube make reports sound as though you could talk loudly over them.

Ghoulish.
Cold.
Insensitive.

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Pretty much true. But to be expected because it wasn't one of his own family, but looking at it from an outside perspective.

Similar to a coroner I suspect. Can't really get personally involved, it would tear you up too quick.

Lighten up a bit Francis.

The OP didn't advocate suicide, post a link to the graphic video, or make disparaging or humorous remarks.

He just asked a few questions in respectful manner. There is nothing ghoulish, cold, or insensitive about information, and that was all the OP was seeking.

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Agreed. The OP isn't dancing on the man's grave, or making jokes about the incident - he's just looking for insight. Sometimes you should give folks the benefit of the doubt before judging their intentions, ya know?

Here is a close up pic of the Dwyer and the gun, (before the suicide) it looks to be Smith to me, but the picture is very grainy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dddr66.jpg

Having watched the video again, I believe it was a .357 mag bullet used. The sound was as loud as a .38, but you have to take into account that he used a 6 inch barrel, and the shot would have been a bit muffled by the barrel being in Dwyer's mouth.

Is curiosity not enough? I know that I've been curious of just this exact thing in the past, but never had a knowledge base such as this one to ask about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Dwyer

http://yardbird.com/sins_of_fathers_ebook.htm


In answer to the OP's questions. I would look for a report from the coroner's office. There has been a lot written about the incident, although I was too young to remember myself.

It looks like a model 19 or 29 (which ever one is the .357 mag)

Wow I guess I should not have watched that! Holy Smokes- I had never even heard of this guy- that was pretty nasty. What a waste- life should not be ended like that.

I must have worked in the E.R. too long I didn't think it was all that gruesome. What was pathetic (IMO) was the set of circumstances that drove Mr. Dwyer to that extreme aswell as, the fact that the family gets to relive the incident in perpituity thanks the internet

Is this the same incident that was the inspiration for the "Hey man, Nice shot" song ?

I do not understand the thought process that would compel someone to commit suicide.
Maybe a predisposition. I do know that some who do, take years of conditioning oneself for the act, desensitizing the person to what normally would be considered wrong.

I do not understand the thought process that would compel someone to commit suicide.

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A leader of my church has said that no one that commits suicide is in their right mind and therefor should not be judged as though they were like me and you. I can understand that but I also have a hard time believing that anyone that commits murder is in their right mind.

A life is still a life right ?

I must have worked in the E.R. too long I didn't think it was all that gruesome. What was pathetic (IMO) was the set of circumstances that drove Mr. Dwyer to that extreme aswell as, the fact that the family gets to relive the incident in perpituity thanks the internet

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I've worked there too long, too, Treo. Same reaction as yours...not all that gruesome. I've eaten lunch immediately after much worse.

Can inquiring into such be gruesome, cold, and a sign of immaturity? Yes...conditionally. It depends entirely upon one's goals in making the inquiry.

Curiosity into terminal ballistics, forensic effects, psychological background, autopsy findings, legal circumstances, etc. are signs of scientific curiosity which is quite a different thing than gawking at deaths and injuries.

I've seen a lot of death and injuries working as an emergency nurse. I've been invited to join acquaintances who were going to gawk at someone's misfortune. I refused on the grounds that I saw quite enough at work and didn't have the need to make it into recreation.

But, if I could possibly help either the living or learn from the dead in order to help the living in the future; I'll be hip deep in gore.

Looks like a 6 inch mod 19 , i read they later said he had ptsd, i guess he didnt want to go to jail, who knows what was on his mind , very sad csa

Part of the coursework in Ayoob's LFI-I was sitting through a sideshow/discussion of terminal ballistics. I know why Mas advised "Go for broke..." if told to suck on a shotgun barrel. Graphic but effective, that class was over 25 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Dwyer
I guess it would have been simple to just use the web to find the info!

====> I must have worked in the E.R. too long I didn't think it was all that gruesome. What was pathetic (IMO) was the set of circumstances that drove Mr. Dwyer to that extreme aswell as, the fact that the family gets to relive the incident in perpituity thanks the internet ===>


I've worked there too long, too, Treo. Same reaction as yours...not all that gruesome. I've eaten lunch immediately after much worse<<<<====

Yea ==! I have been vol.firefighter for 25 years --I get to them before you see them--Same situation --Go do a job ...Then go eat lunch -The only time anything bothered me was a house fire Mom and 5 kids -Dad came home just as the fire co was getting there it took 6 firefighters to hold down and keep him from going into the flames --Yea --I drank a few beers when I got home at 3am..

The case that I saw that haunts me to this day ( aside from the guy W/ the adult sex toy firmly lodged in his rectum) was a beautiful 16 year old girl who came in W/ her dad . I pulled her chart and in big red letters right there on the front page "HX rptd sexual abuse by father" and I had to continue my acessment like I never read it.

Witnessing death in the internet can be damaging to you. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can IMHO possible effect you.
PTSD is real. Your mind, when you see it can possibly not be ready for the impact it sees. You can argue with me if you want to. I out 20 yers in the service so you can have that free speech to do so.
It is your perogative to watch as many suicides as you want and it may never have any negative effects. If you do so then at least set parental controls so your children won't happen across it.