Obama's position

Look, it's simply too early to know. Wait until he's elected first, huh?

Seriously - any answer to this question we'd be able to offer would be speculation at best, so it's not even worth asking. Whoever is elected will have a hell of a lot else to worry about right away than whether or not you get to keep your guns. And even if they decide that you don't get to, it's not like waving a majic wand and *poof*. There are steps involved in between a president -wanting- to do something and actually -being able- to do it.

Doubtful, despite my intense hatred for the man's policies, he is a pretty bright fellow, obviously, he knew exactly what to say to get the votes he needed to win.

My opinion regarding whats going to happen now that we have a multi-party (liberal-Democrat) dictatorship...

CCW... gone.
Open carry... gone.
Assault weapons (as we know them...) gone.
High capacity mags... gone.
Ammunition... taxed out of this world, like gasoline.

Plan on the above within the first year... well within... Id put that at 99%.

Buying firearms... and this is a stretch, but within four years I look for some type of NFA system... ex. $200.00 or more for a tax stamp to buy your kid's .22 Cricket.

Worst case senario, and its not exactly science fiction... some type of buy back program similar to what was forced upon the Brits and Aussies.

J23 if you are even 50% right I will buy you a steak dinner. Honestly, I am not that worried.

To start with : Britian and Austraila don't have a 2nd Amendment. Britain & Austraila didn't have a Supreme Court ruling in favor of the 2nd Amendment.

I see everyone's views, but Kingpin has a point. If we want to do something about it, send an email or a letter to your senator/congressman or local representative stressing the importance of allowing law abiding citizens to keep their gun rights.

My opinion regarding whats going to happen now that we have a multi-party (liberal-Democrat) dictatorship...

CCW... gone.
Open carry... gone.
Assault weapons (as we know them...) gone.
High capacity mags... gone.
Ammunition... taxed out of this world, like gasoline.

Plan on the above within the first year... well within... Id put that at 99%.

Buying firearms... and this is a stretch, but within four years I look for some type of NFA system... ex. $200.00 or more for a tax stamp to buy your kid's .22 Cricket.

Worst case senario, and its not exactly science fiction... some type of buy back program similar to what was forced upon the Brits and Aussies.

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THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!

Look - We won Heller. That was a big one, even if it didn't give us every little thing we wanted. If a president wants to do any of the stuff you've listed, they're gonna have to work for it, even with a democratic majority. Believe it or not, the Dems still remember how badly they got burned after the '94 ban. And, we're a heck of a lot more vocal now. You better believe that the instant any of this stuff was proposed we'd be on it like white on rice.

Instead of squawking about all the terrible things that await us, we spend some time writing to our congresscritters and let them know that whoever the Commander In Chief may be, we're the ones who keep them employed.

To start with : Britian and Austraila don't have a 2nd Amendment.

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You honestly think that matters considering our politicians blatantly ignore the rest of that document?

Britain & Austraila didn't have a Supreme Court ruling in favor of the 2nd Amendment.

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And that was a 5-4 ruling. Pretty close. I think we collectively lost some hair off our heads, though the guillotine didn't get us yet.

I hope when this election is over we can at least discuss "The ONE" and his gun banning we hate and fight aganist him without being banned or told we can not talk about the one cause it is not nice. Cause I can guarantee we will need to fight him and the Democrats in Washington big time if we want to keep our rights. Also pray the USSC judges do not die or retire. They can easily gut the 2nd amendment easily. The One will have the bully pulpit and just like Clinton the MSM will back his gun control measures not matter what. Get ready. I will wait to say I told you so. Hope everyone who is happy now is happy when this starts cause it will. Biden will also be gun ho to get his ASW ban back.

The second means nothing if Obama replaces even one pro-gun judge with a Pelosi clone.

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Not necessarily true. Like I said, we've already got Heller on our side. Any new court cases brought before new judges could indeed go poorly for us, but as I mentioned before - Heller was a huge shot in the arm for American gun owners. We have a lot to back us up, and I think that (thanks to Dick Heller and the rest involved) the average Joe is going to be much more willing to "go for it" and file a lawsuit challenging any negative ruling.

This is a time when we need to be mobilizing, not cowering in fear and jumping at shadows of what "could be coming". Write, call, send smoke signals - let your elected officials know what the score is.

all pistols will be illeagalized under his laws, so yes.

Aren't the judges most likely to be replaced "liberal" judges to begin with? So wouldn't it be a net effect?

My question would be if the new pres. and congress get a law through that bans CCW do the states have to recall all the licenses? That has nothing to do with the Heller decision.

I know it won't be real quick or I wouldn't think so because of the other issues but you never know. They could try to catch some people off guard.

The weapons ban will be back and I think it will worse then before. Guys have mentioned how it hurt them in the past but they don't need our votes now. This election changed things because if happens what was promised the people we need in congress won't be back for along time. If ever.

Look, Im not claiming to be 'the one' amoungst gun owners and I CERTAINLY dont know everything... but I DO know a good bit. I have degrees in Political Science, Criminal Justice and U.S. history... so I feel Im plenty qualified to speak on the subject... allow me to be frank here...

Wake up.

For those of you who brush this off as 'dont worry! we won Heller! There are beaches traversing the entire east and west coasts of our country... plenty of sand to go and bury your head in. We won Heller by ONE VOTE, thank the fencerider, as far as I see it.

During this term, thats within the next four years, BHO will be appointing between one and three supreme court judges--at least ONE. It's not out of the question for this issue to be brought before the supreme court again. Next time, we may not be so lucky.

As far as the arguments that Ive heard (not necessarily in this post) that the worst case senario is he re-impliments the assault weapons ban... that in and of itself is too much. In fact, the laws that we have now, are far beyond what is reasonable and prudent regarding firearms ownership. And, as with little kids and criminals, if you give the these politicians an inch, they want a mile. They wont stop at assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

And lets not forget the entire premise of the 2nd Amendment, it wasnt placed in there to protect your rights to own firearms for hunting and sport shooting... in fact, during the time period when the US was conceived, that was just a given. The mere thought of banning guns from individual ownership, including those for hunting and home protection was simply outlandish. The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Bill of Rights for the sole purpose of having and armed populace to resist tyrannical rule and taxation without proper representation. Thats middle school history folks.

Ill leave everyone with this...

Id rather be a little paranoid then turn my head and pretend that the upcoming days arent going to affect the things (firearms, in general) that we all know and love. Because once you turn back around, you may find that the liberties you took for granted before you turned your head are no longer there, or several limited. Then the whining will start; and youll be asked what you did to help prevent these loss of RIGHTS? The previous poster was correct... right letters, make phone calls, encourage people to do the same; at least try to make a difference. THAT is the point of talking about the politics OF firearms ownership in boards such as THR, to encourage activism.

Regarding this post being locked... thats fine. I suppose THR will always be here, even if down the road we all get to talk about golf.

Keep a cool head

I agree this is not a time to jump to conclusions.

1. Nothing has happened YET!!!

2. We have our own State Elected Politicians that are supposed to represent us, write them, call them, email them.

3.Gun owners must ban together - I will be upgrading my Life Membership with NRA.

4. We can't be afraid of law suits - it works two ways - The NRA and other gun lobbyist need our support. Rest assured it will be a fight at some point and our future is in the balance.

5. The redistribution of wealth will be the first hurdle. Your pocket book is going to get hit, and it won't be the $100K+ range. Clinton took it to 42K ... You are going to work more and have less. We are going into a tax and spend era.

Stay strong, stay together, and we will get through it....

Time to buy a lifetime supply of ar's and ammo and so called "armor piercing" hunting ammo

all pistols will be illeagalized under his laws, so yes.

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Cite?

He won't have the votes for measures like the ones you guys are talking about. Democrats are scared of gun voters. Gun issues is what took them out of power in the house in 1994, and they know that.

Hopefully hopefully hopefully he will completely fix our national healthcare crisis and economic crisis before he starts messing with our guns....after all, he did spend the last 4 months complaining about them, i never heard him mention guns on any of his TV spots.

Well if Obama follows the way the last socialist run their country he will replace the Supreme Court with judges who will make everything he does "legal". From then on it doesn't matter what you think or believe.

jj

What gets these threads closed is the speculation about political actions.

A problem that I have is that there are constitutionally mandated laws/rules about "taking" which people here seem to ignore. Within that arena are numerous methods to make "takings" very expensive and quite time consuming.

There is a political process to be followed before laws can be passed. Part of that process involves lobbying by our various RKBA organizations--which is why infighting is egregiously stupid. Part of that process involves action as individduals, via contacting US representatives and senators.

And part of the process requires enlisting like-minded people to work as RKBA activists...

In reviewing this thread, it's quite obvious that it's far more about politics than law. Enuf.

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