Lon Horiuchi A Spokesperson For HS Precision ?

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Randy Weaver did not kill his wife the feds came in and found his son hunting in the woods and shot his hunting dog and then the boy. The feds shot first they did not attempt an arrest they shot. The boy did shoot at them, but wouldn't you if someone approached you in the woods and starting shooting first?
 
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''Research or remember the case and you will find that not only did Weaver win the case but the federal government awarded him
$100,000 and each of his daughters a cool million dollars. They did this so they wouldn't have to admit in public what they ILLEGALLY did. The most punishment handed out to FBI personnel was censureship and 15 day suspensions. Horiuchi ( did I spell that right) received no punishment at all. After all he only shot an unarmed woman in the face while she was holding a dangerous baby and standing in the door to hold it open for Randy to run in the house. It was also learned from the little info that seeped out that the FBI people had talked about her being the glue that held the family together and they then decided that she indeed needed to be killed if things didn't go exactly as planned. Nice huh! All you guys that don't think a federal officer or agency will run over your rights or plant evidence better wake up. Why do you think they wouldn't let the Waco fire department in to stop the fire and they instead bulldozed every piece of the structure into the fire? Never mind that some of the FBI video tapes also just some how disappeared...''


Couldn't have put it better myself.Does anyone think the Government would have paid out damages if it was a rightous shoot?!
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Couldn't have put it better myself.Does anyone think the Government would have paid out damages if it was a righteous shoot?!
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The government would - an in fact did - pay damages due to a unintentional shooting of an innocent person.

Mike
 
BTW, while searching for info about the wrongful death lawsuit, I found a web page which included the following. It appears the Federal prosecutors were very upset with the rules of engagement, but not with Lon Horiuchi for following them. That surprised me - usually they blame the grunt, and the brass walks ...

Federal prosecutors eventually ended a two-year long probe into several FBI officials for their role in the Ruby Ridge standoff. Following the investigation, Danny Coulson, former head of FBI headquarters, was given a letter of censure; Michael Kahoe, who had been involved in researching the rules of engagement, was censured and suspended for 15 days; Richard Rogers, head of the hostage rescue team, was censured and suspended for 10 days; Larry Potts, the man who had approved the rules of engagement, was censured; Eugene Glenn, Ruby Ridge field commander, was censured and suspended for 15 days, and Lou Horiuchi, the HRT "Blue" sniper/observer team leader, received no punishment for his actions, ...
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http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/randy_weaver/21.html

Mike
 
Because there seem to be differing opinions expressed in this thread, I'm sure it will be locked soon ...

However, I must ask Mike what his source is for this gem:

The government would - an in fact did - pay damages due to a unintentional shooting of an innocent person.
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Who says it was unintentional? Lon? His superiors? The "government?" All of the above? Have any independent investigators determined that Lon's kill was unintentional?

Thanks in advance for your prompt and thorough reply.
 
The OP's point (I thought anyway) was that it was a bad idea for HS to have Lon H give endorsments.

Now regardless of your opinions on Lon H or what he did I think most people would it agree it is in bad idea to make such a controversional figure (where there is a great deal of emotion) giving endorsements. If not bad taste, it is not good marketing.

Some could say this would be like M Vick (spelling?) endorsing some line of dog food or pet products. He may know a thing or to about dogs, but most folks do not see him in a positive light regarding them. You can do it, it just opens your company to controversory.

Whatever you think happened at Ruby Ridge, you would have to say it was not a text book example of how to conduct a LE opertaion. Mistakes were made, on both sides. What mistakes I leave up to your own opinion.
 
So you'd be OK with a gang banger shooting at a beat cop because the cop tried to arrest him for drug possession?
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Federal authorities made no attempt to arrest ANYONE until AFTER the shootings of Weaver's dog, Weaver's son and Marshall Degan. I'm not even sure they tried to arrest anyone until after Kevin Harris and Vicki Weaver were shot.

What can you show me to demonstrate that the Federal Marshalls who STARTED THE SHOOTING had a warrant of ANY kind?
 
...a unintentional shooting of an innocent person.
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OK, you say the shooting of Vicki Weaver was unintentional....a tragic accident. You apparently wholly believe Horiuchi's second story that he was shooting at Kevin Harris when his shot hit Vicki. Why then did Horiuchi pose for a picture with Vicki Weaver's dress for his personal scrapbook of pictures of his kills? Does this sound like the behavior of someone who unintentionally killed an innocent person?

You are also overlooking Horiuchi's first shot which started the chain of events leading to Vicki's death. He first shot Randy Weaver in the back when he was checking on his son's body. That's two shots at unarmed innocent people; unless you consider failure to appear a serious enough crime to warrant shooting on sight, then I guess Randy could be considered guilty of that. :rolleyes:

I sent an e-mail to H-S Tuesday night, one of many, I'm sure. Has anyone heard of a response from them yet?
 
He did hit Kevin. Vicki just happened to be in the way. No problem for someone like him.
 
You're right there, velojym. Remember the picture Horiuchi drew right after the shooting clearly showing two heads in the window of the door? He knew someone was in the line of fire, but he didn't care. Later on he changed his story and said the curtain in the window was drawn and he couldn't see anyone standing there...but he forgot to destroy his drawing.
 
Why then did Horiuchi pose for a picture with Vicki Weaver's dress for his personal scrapbook of pictures of his kills?

color me skeptical got a source? other than wnd or newsmax? sturmfront is out too.
 
Spence wrote a book about it, pretty good read I thought. Pointed out a lot of injustice by the Federal Gov.
 
Thanks in advance for your prompt and thorough reply.
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You're welcome. :)

The bullet that struck Mrs. Weaver was fired seconds after the first shot. It was intended for a man who Special Agent Horiuchi mistakenly believed was the one he had just shot in the vicinity of the birthing shed. Special Agent Horiuchi fired at his intended target while he was running toward the cabin and before he reached the cabin door.

Tragically, Mrs. Weaver was struck by that shot while she stood behind the open front door of the cabin.

Special Agent Horiuchi said he could not see Mrs. Weaver when he took the second shot and that he had no reason to believe that she was standing there. The shot that killed Mrs. Weaver was not even fired at or into the cabin; it travelled on a path parallel to the cabin.

Special Agent Horiuchi made one thing abundantly clear during his testimony at the trial of Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris: he did not see Vicki Weaver or anyone else behind the cabin door when he fired the second shot. Special Agent Horiuchi has testified that he was aiming at a moving target -- Kevin Harris -- at that time.
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http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995_hr/s951019f.htm

Mike
 
Either Horiuchi was unaware that his target was a non-combatant (in which case he should not have taken the shot by any reasonable standard) or he was aware and simply did not care (in which case he is a depraved and sick human being).
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Horiuchi's intended target was not Vicki Weaver, and in fact he could not see Vicki Weaver when attempted to shoot Kevin Harris.

But why let the facts get in the way of your agenda right? :rolleyes:
 
So how did the courts treat Weaver, did he go to jail or did they let him go with alot of money for his trouble????
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He was convicted and sentenced for his failure to appear in court. You know that FTA that caused the USMS service to be out there preparing to arrest him. Had Weaver shown up for court to participate in his due process rights as assured by the Constitution DUSM Degan, Sam Weaver, and Vicki Weaver wouldn't have died in that tragedy. Make no mistake about it the origin of that tragedy was Weaver's refusal to come to court.
 
The Clintons knew if Horuichi was prosecuted that they couldn't get their troops to work for them. How could they kill all those at Waco if they knew they were going to get charged for murder??
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Blaming Clinton for Waco is one of the most ridiculous claims ever made on this forum.
 
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