Anybody here "politicked -out"?

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Let's be honest, that if all who post (or lurk) here weren't political junkies, we wouldn't even come to this board. But lately I've noticed that my appetite for the political TV talk shows, radio shows, etc. seem to be dwaning. I think it's most apparent to me with TV shows.

It seems like there was a time when I couldn't get enough TV political shows, but now I mostly pass. I think part of it has to do with the fact that nothing I see has much impact on my opinion, and I'm growing tired of all the shouting. While I like some of the topics that Sean Hannity pursues, his annoying habit of cutting people off really grates on me. And who the heck ever thought of having multiple guests on a political talk show? Nothing gets discussed, because everyone has to shout out their best sound bite before their TV face time ends.

Similarly, I like the topics Bill O'Reilly takes on, e.g. Jesse Jackson shaking down corporate America, but could anyone be any more pedantic and full of himself? :rolleyes:

Maybe I'm avoiding the obvious: I'm just getting older and it's so unlikely I'll be persuaded to take the other side (with me being a conservative), these shows just don't offer as much value as they once did. geegee
 
I'm not a political junky, as I think politics sucks. Still, I DO like to be informed and being uninformed is the surest way to get bent over by the politicians. At best, a necessary evil.
 
I got politicked off when I voted for Perot and Clinton Won.

At that time I voted my conscience because Bush Senior signed a 1989
semi auto import ban.

Now I'm politicked out because of all the stupidity spewed on all those
TV news shows.

THR is the only place I'll read about politics as it relates to gun rights.
 
I hear you, geegee. If it weren't for the CA recall election, there would be no news. Just more of the shouting you described.

Regardless, though, I'm getting burned out on gun rights activity in general. In just a few weeks we'll know whether or not Wisconsin will have a CCW law. Whatever the results, I really don't care if I ever go to a gun show again in my life. The "hunters and sportsmen" who believe lying politicians infuriate me, to the point where I just don't care what the &%#(A% happens to them.

This past Sunday I was at yet another gun show, and approached one of the show attendees.

"Are you for concealed carry in Wisconsin?" I asked.

"No. There's too many crazy folks running around carrying concealed weapons now."

Hmmm. "Those are criminals," I replied.

"Don't matter. Too many nutcases carrying guns. One of them could go crazy."

I looked in his rifle case and saw what looked to be a 1903 Springfield with a scope.

"Looks like one of those sniper rifles that some nutcase could just go out and use to shoot folks," I said.

"Nope. It's my hunting rifle."

"Nope, it's a military rifle with a scope. A sniper rifle."

This dunderhead had no idea how contradictory his views are, or just how much he's contributing to the anti-gun side.

Five percent of the gunowners can't be expected to carry the water for the other 95% forever.

:banghead:
 
You're not alone, Geegee, and it's the same across the Atlantic...

From the Telegraph, London (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/10/08/ixopinion.html):

Corrosive cynicism is destroying politics

By Janet Daley
(Filed: 08/10/2003)

I can't remember a time when politics has been so depressing. The former foreign secretary accuses the Prime Minister of deliberate deceit in the run-up to war. The main opposition party is sunk in poisonous conspiracy against its leader. The media slaver over every detail of betrayal and machination.

This is not just the usual atmosphere of rancid cynicism: it is beyond cynical. It is a form of corrosion - politics is consuming itself in a frenzy of mordant viciousness. Then we wonder why such a large proportion of electors cannot be bothered to vote, and an even larger proportion refuses to watch the bear-baiting spectacle that is known as current affairs television.

How much longer can this go on? Despair at the intractability of the country's problems grows in direct correlation with the discrediting of the personalities who must be trusted if those problems are to be addressed. If the individuals at the top of the existing parties are seriously unsatisfactory, then clearly they must be replaced.

But the suspicion grows that, in the current climate, no political leader could ever be acceptable - almost by definition. To be ambitious politically is to be inherently irredeemable, flawed in a way that makes exposure and calamity inevitable.

Interestingly, the one party leader who is largely spared by the media at the moment is Charles Kennedy, perhaps because he is so scandalously and embarrassingly inadequate that to attack him would seem like an act of grotesque inhumanity. As a result of this bizarre fit of soft-heartedness by the media, the most grossly unfit political leader in living memory is seen by the public as blameless, and thus climbs in the polls. It is a tragi-comedy worthy of Brecht.

But in the real world, democratic politics itself is being discredited. Serious policies are decried as shams before they have been examined. The content of argument and ideas are scarcely considered before they are buried under hostile opposition from axe-grinding pressure groups whose own vested interests are never examined.

An entire generation now has almost no criteria for evaluating the substance of political discourse because the terms in which possible solutions are discussed are so overwhelmingly negative. There is never an open and generous debate entitled, "What does this proposal (on healthcare, education, taxation, whatever) have to offer?" There is only: "Why this can't possibly work - and what nefarious motives does this particular bunch of scumbag politicians have in proposing it?"

At Blackpool this week, three shadow ministers have put forward some of the most genuinely radical policies seen in Britain since the 1980s. On education, Damian Green has proposed "better schools passports", which would present a quite breathtaking new scale of opportunity for children in deprived areas.

Liam Fox has argued for a healthcare system, still financed by the taxpayer, but free of political manipulation by government. His proposals would dismantle the absurd ideological barrier between public and private health provision in a way that is already commonplace on the Continent, but that would be revolutionary in Britain. Oliver Letwin has dared to suggest that local communities should have some say in how they are policed and that the control of crime should be a publicly accountable matter.

These are policies that - whether you agree with them or not - should be of interest to anyone who cares about the way we are governed. The very discussion of them would be illuminating and healthy in terms of making the public feel that something - anything - might be done about the state we are in. How much airtime do you suppose they will get? And how much of that will be taken by the organised Rent-a-Gob lobbies of always available protesters who see any change in the existing arrangements as a threat?

What is more, these particular initiatives fit into a larger picture that is, in itself, a daring venture: nothing less than a systematic challenge to the whole post-war settlement of big government as the answer to all social and civil problems.

The Tories are beginning to think in the larger, more philosophical terms that were a feature of Keith Joseph's time. The argument that they wish to open could not be more seminal.

Would individuals, rather than governments, making their own choices produce a fairer society and better services for everyone? Can centrally controlled and distributed services ever meet the infinitely varied needs of individuals? On a wider ethical plane: are the values of community and individuality incompatible?

There is a division in political life now between big and small government, between centralised control and local accountability, that is really worth discussing. It will be a crime against democracy if the public arena (which is to say, the media) does not provide a proper platform for this discussion in which the possibilities are not pre-judged, tendentiously packaged and doomed from the start.

Of course, there is a sense in which everything I am saying here is very naive. Who will dare to be the first television interviewer to take a politician's words and motives seriously? In a world of sophisticates, who wants to be the ingénue who actually believes that at least some politicians go into this business because they care about the country and want to change things for the better?

Cynicism is seductive. It makes you feel that you know something about life that other people do not. No one wants to look as if he knows less than his fellows, even if what he prides himself on knowing is deeply unpleasant and inclines him to think that the game to which he devotes his professional life is scarcely worth the candle.
 
All part of the plan, folks. Wear them out, split them up, grind them down.

I feel it too, but hang in there - we lose if we quit.
 
I get politicked out sometimes...I just don't browse the L&P posts and listen to FM instead of AM radio....
 
I looked in his rifle case and saw what looked to be a 1903 Springfield with a scope.

Good one Monkyleg. I know way too many people here in California that don't assotiate their hunting privelge with their right to keep and bear arms. I'll remember that one.

Scott
 
Preacherman: Wow! That was some article. "Corrosive cynicism" sure hits close to home.

I've found I have so little respect for Democrats, I don't have the slightest desire to even hear their opinions. Before anyone says it, I know....the "Republicrats", etc. can't be trusted either, blah, blah, blah...Listening to that nitwit Bob Mulholland (head of the California Democratic Party) for a couple of minutes tonight made me want to throw a shoe at the TV. To me, he typifies the face of political talk TV. The partisan "operative", a hack for hire. James Carville's kissing cousin.

Maybe that's the problem. Too many political mouthpieces and never an honest interview from the politicians that employ them. Did I just stumble into an oxymoron? :uhoh: geegee
 
There are far too many folks, even here, that espouse common ideas gleaned from their "extensive internet experience" as truth.

It wears on one's nerves, but hang in there.

On the other hand, watching the major new networks' talking heads trying to positively spin Davis' recall tonight has been fun.
 
We must not relax. Appathy is our worst enemy.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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There are far too many folks, even here, that espouse common ideas gleaned from their "extensive internet experience" as truth.

The common ideas coming from media whores and gaping politician sewer holes are just as suspect. I suspect.
 
Moparmike
I have considered taking a brief sebatical from political info. It wears on ya.
When I was your age, I didn't give a crap about politics. I didn't really start paying attention until my mid thirties. If I'd started when you did, I'd probably be doing the thorazine shuffle down a long hallway in fuzzy slippers by now.;) We need a few more like you! Yep, need a break now and then.
 
Personally, after 9/11 I watched and listened to all the political discourse, as I thought for once it was actually important - the future of our nation was at stake.

As things have gradually faded back to 9/10 attitudes, even 9/11 has been politicized - "Bush lied, soldiers died", "Democrats appease terrorists".

I thought they could rise above it, but nah, its worse than ever...
 
I am not so much politic'd out, as I am having to read about 4 different newspapers, and switch between 2 or 3 news channels, to try to interpolate the real news.

I want news - not analysis or editorial masquerading as news. There used to be a difference between news and editorials - not any more.

The truth is out there! We just gotta find it!

(BTW: this applies to both sides of the political spectrum)

-DD
 
You can avoid politics but it won't avoid you.

We're in the middle of an intense culture war that is being played out in political terms. Everything we hold dear and sacred is at stake.

That doesn't mean you can't take a break at the range, however.:D
 
If I'd started when you did, I'd probably be doing the thorazine shuffle down a long hallway in fuzzy slippers by now.;) We need a few more like you!
We need more people my age doing the thorazine shuffle in funny farms?;) :p

Yeah, if I had the time and more gumption I would start a "2nd amendment club" or a local College LP group. I just dont have the time and energy to do that.

A 2nd amendment club would be cool with Oleg's work... idea.gif
 
Sometime in the dim past of the United States of America, politics was about deciding what was best for the country. Today politics is a show for masses; produced, directed and cast by the parties who are struggling for power for it's own sake.

If eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, count me in; but frankly, I think we are way past the ballot box stage.
 
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