They stole my Sig Sauer!!

thegriz, hahahahahahahaha that is hilarious

So now please send a cleaning crew over to remove this spew from my keyboard.

Some of you guys beating him up for leaving it in a locked car is beyond me.

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Speaking as one of the people who didn't beat him up about it...

It is the policy of the SAPD to not only not investigate a vehicle burglary, but you make your report over the phone. They don't care what was in your car unless the value exceeds $5k. Criminals/bored kids know this, so there's virtually no reason for them not to do it.

Faced with that, I can easily see why some people would consider it irresponsible. I still do it, but like I said, I use a cheap gun that I won't be too upset over if it's stolen - and I don't hide it in an obvious place like a glove box. In fact, I don't keep anything important in my glove box.

Why anyone would leave any weapon locked in a vehicle on the street at night is beyond me.


Every parked vehicle is a target for burglary, every night. Money, GPS receiver, credit cards, cell phone, power saw, computer, gun....

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My, that is a bit silly.

Maybe we should just not have ANYTHING, because it could get stolen!

Life is a balancing act. Why do you think the Ruger LCP sells so well? Because guys say "If I ever get in a gunfight, I think a 380 from a tiny gun is the most effective tool to use!"

Of Course Not!

people carry small guns because they realize that they will sucumb to human nature and not bother carrying a large gun, no matter how tactically sound it is...because it is too inconvenient.

The small gun is not perfect, but because those people are REALISTS they balance poor performance against increased likelyhood of the gun being on-person when needed.


I think the same applies to guns kept in the vehicle. For many people because of the rules of the state they live in (and possible work place restricitons) a gun in the car is as close as they can get to a gun close by.

Now, of course, one must again take a realist view. One must realize that due to human nature there will be times when you don't bother taking the gun to the car. So just like the LCP is not the BEST fighting weapon, a gun in the car is never TOTALLY secure (but then, with enough time a criminal can get into your gun safe too) but it is a reasonable comprimise.

Now, the next step in reality is to judge how secure you are, and consider having a car gun that is less valuable in case disaster strikes....but the flip side of this is 'what if the disaster that strikes isn't a theft....but an attack!' Then do you really want to have to defend your life with a $150 gunshow makarov vs the $850 SIG 220 all because on the off chance your gun is stolen you'd be out $700 more dollars?

$700 dollars is pretty insignficant compare to a life. (of course, an additional $100 for a quality lock box would be smart too)

No matter what choice you make, IF your gun gets stolen, it doesn't matter if it is your old makarov, your new SIG, if it was just in the glovebox or in a lockbox cable-locked to the seat-frame, it is NORMAL to be upset about it.


So, to the OP. Man, I feel your pain. Any theft, even just a stereo, feels like an invasion. To have the item stolen be one that is both valuable and beloved is an extra kick in the guts. I am sorry. To round it out, the fact that it was a GUN is an additional unpleasant complication. I hope it is returned to you one way or another.

In the state of Washington, pawn shops report to their local police every night via electronic reporting. Reporting your weapon to the shops is counterproductive -- they won't buy a weapon they know (or suspect) is hot, which makes it less likely to come back on the grid. There's also a mandatory 30-day holding period for purchases before they can resell the weapons (or anything else for that matter).

Gun stores that deal in used firearms are *not* subject to this same wait period, and with police processing time (about a week) a firearm could be resold before the local PD knows what's up. Report to gun stores, not pawn shops.

$500?? Try $400, like many have said your nearing a brand new Sig. Unless your Sig is a high end P220, which leaves me to wonder why you would leave a higher end pistol in your car.

Condolences

I can sympathize. I accidently left mine in my gym bag in my car when I went to the gym. 3 cars were broken into. My guns were stolen.

I've since learned my lesson not to leave guns in the car unless they are secured with a cable or chained steel box to something secure in the vehicle.

As far as the reward, you may be wasting your time. Who's gonna turn it in and risk apprehension. The thief? nope. Someone that bought it from the theif? Unlikely. But if it means that much to you, go for it.

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I live in a state where your guns must be unloaded and locked-up when they are not in your immediate vicinity. .

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What state is this? This would seriously impact the way that I plan to store my home defense handgun (in a home with no children).

How effective is a gun against home invaders unloaded and locked up? Or maybe I'm not sure how 'immediate vicinity' is defined?

Sympathies from a Westsider Bo.

As I stated before-my comments may seem harsh but I did offer condolences. I would never want to feel the pain of losing a gun via an event such as this. Some of you may think that the requirements I live by are harsh but I am not one to claim that I am free from mistakes. This is not about that. I find my weapons to be of the utmost importance as well many of you.

For further explanation-there are vehicle safes out there that can be used if you intend to lock you weapons in you vehicle on a regular basis. Where I live the term, "immediate vicinity" means that it can be out and loaded in my home as long as I am in my home. So for all you whom believe that this is an issue, it isn't. I carry my weapons just about wherever I go and I am one to leave weapons out and loaded while I am at home and at night when I sleep. When I decide not to carry, I lock it in a SAFE where no average burglar with a hammer and screwdriver is likely to get them. I treat all of my precious belongings the same way.

Not withstanding, I understand why some of you believe that I am wrong and I will not argue that you can not be held accountable in every situation for someone else's actions, such as theft. But if you weapons are important, why not lock them up in a secure fashion if they are not being used or prepared for use, such as defensive weapons left in the area when you are home?

I also understand some of you live in areas with low crime where it is normal for you to use gun cabinets to display them. But that does not take away the fact that there are not only valuables but they are also a problem in the wrong hands. Anti-gunners will use every reason possible to try to ban them and this is one for their arsenal. I hear this often and have heard it many times form anti-second amendment people-that this is a reason to ban, "assault weapons." It is proven that a great number of illegally owned weapons come from thefts.

So, if you want, find me to be fallible, in contempt. But you will not find me to be irresponsible or careless with my weapons.

first, sorry to hear your gun was stolen. i NEVER leave a gun in my car overnight, except my muzzle loader during season, so condensation doesn't get to the black powder. hopefully, the alarm system on the vehicle would thwart off anyone trying to break into it. mostly, my pistol stays with me. i get nervous when i have to lock it inside a lockbox, inside my locked car when i can not carry it. even if it is just for a few minutes.

I live in a state where your guns must be unloaded and locked-up when they are not in your immediate vicinity.

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Well, he did have them in a locked glove box, which was inside a locked car.

I lock it in a SAFE where no average burglar with a hammer and screwdriver is likely to get them

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HA! If a burglar wants something bad enough, he'll get it. I tried to find the post, but can't. Another High Roader had his enitire 500lb safe stolen, full of guns. Don't fool yourself.

Take reasonable precautions, but don't believe for a second that you can 100% defeat a determined criminal.

So, if you want, find me to be fallible, in contempt

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No one is holding you in contempt, but your critique of OPs security is overzealous, and your evaluation of your own is optimistic.

We see these stories all the time, yet we continue to not do everything we can to secure our guns, especially our primary defense or carry gun. You hve to slow them down enough so they move to the next target. It's our responsibility as gun owners to keep our guns out of the wrong hands whether it's children or criminals. Even behind locked doors. $250 doesn't seem like much to spend to do this after the fact (cheaper than a $500 reward). Look at my offer in the group buys if you are interested in securing your handgun and keeping it very accessible at the same time. There is a 25% discount coupon.

mr bojangles, are you originally from virginia or north carolina? with your name bojangles, man they have a tasty chicken biscuit. sorry bout the loss, go buy another sig. you will fall in love all over again. buy a lorcin and put it in the glove box. that way, the thief will be pissed when they break in and find that P.O.S. paperweight. they probably try to kick you in your hind parts for making them go through the hassle of breaking in.

I know how you feel. I had a Ruger P-89 9mm stolen from my truck a couple years ago.

VERY Irresponsible Handling
I guess This may seem harsh but this type of irresponsible action is exactly how many criminals get guns. This is also why many people think that by banning guns the criminals will not be able to get them. I live in a state where your guns must be unloaded and locked-up when they are not in your immediate vicinity. If less people did things such as locking your guns in a glovebox there would be less theft and less harassment from anti-gun people. I am sorry for your loss but even more sorry for the rest of us whom also have to suffer the consequences.

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Would you listen to yourself?

The thief KNOWS stealing is bad and is a crime. The responsibility is on the thief.

The stupid laws that your state enacted are just as bad because they place fault on the person WHO DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME. Elevating a gun beyond mere property is foolish because it gives the government MORE power over the citizenry.

It is PRECISELY this line of thinking that has turned our rights into privileges controlled by various levels of government.

Now, if you don't want to lose your property, do not needlessly expose it to theft. This is personal security 101. Beyond that, any criminal responsibility falls upon the person committing the theft.

About five years ago a local gunshop had a band of theives 4 or them on the video, take a stolen tow truck / wrecker, and drive it through the front of the store, after they cut the power and phone lines. The store had a 5000 lb commercial safe, which the theives, put on a dolley (for transporting cars) and chained to the back of the wrecker before they drove it away.

The wrecker and the cut open safe were found 5 miles away in a swamp off I-95 about a week later. The store lost 170 firearms.

Theft is the criminals fault, just like rape is the fault of the rapists no matter how pretty the girl is or what kind of clothes she wears.

PERIOD.

When the state passes a law that holds the rape victim (or the gun owner) accountable for causing the rape, they belong living in the 12th century not the modern one, and should be horsewhipped them selves.

I hope you get your gun back.

Now I am laughing out loud. Apparently some of you believe that we should not be responsible with our weapons. States such as mine have enacted mandatory storage requirement laws because of the ease with which criminals get guns from theft. Some of you have it wrong and I will not relent on my position.

It is actually pretty simple. If people were more responsible with their weapons then less weapons would be stolen then less crimes would be committed with them then possibly less laws would be enacted in attempts to stop the everyday thief from getting them. This is EXACTLY why my state originally proposed these requirements.

I never took the onus off of the criminal but let's be reasonable and not compare this to rape. But since you brought up the subject....what would you say to a daughter if she walked through bad parts of the city at night by herself? Wouldn't you be concerned for her safety and want to prevent the rape from happening? Obviously she is not at fault if she were to be harmed but she could have possibly taken steps to reduce the chances-like not traveling alone or not being there in that part of the city.

Some of these justifications for not taking every available precaution are ludicrous. How often is a commercial safe stolen? So another justification is that you shouldn't lock them up because your safe might be stolen? You also mentioned that it was a dealer, correct? So many people may have had the chance to case the facility and to take the risk because of the large reward. So, what is the likelihood that the average home burglar will walk off with a large safe? For all the other responsible gun owners out there....good job.

He gets the point.

Bojan. has already fessed up to making a dumb mistake. He does not need any more "Daddy" advise!! He is being very nice to advise others to not make the same mistake. If anyone locates his Sig-PLEASE-hold on to the seller, until Bojan. can arrive!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope you get your gun back I keep my cars locked inside the Garage!

it was a random car theft, they saw the gun happy to see it didnt think and left the mags there, I would suggest rather a reward put in the paper willing to buy or looking for that certain type gun, when and if some one comes through, match the serials, and maybe with luck from God you can hit two birds with one stone.

Thieves were unable to open the lockbox in my Jeep, so they stole the entire Jeep.

We all need to stop tempting thieves with our valuables!

The thief KNOWS stealing is bad and is a crime. The responsibility is on the thief.

The stupid laws that your state enacted are just as bad because they place fault on the person WHO DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME. Elevating a gun beyond mere property is foolish because it gives the government MORE power over the citizenry.

It is PRECISELY this line of thinking that has turned our rights into privileges controlled by various levels of government.

Now, if you don't want to lose your property, do not needlessly expose it to theft. This is personal security 101. Beyond that, any criminal responsibility falls upon the person committing the theft.

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It is sad that some would punish those who are victimized, under the premise that they were not 'careful enough'. To me, that logic always resembles those who would find fault with the rape victim for 'not fighting back enough' or 'dressing too provocatively'.

Yup - let's blame the target for ENTICING the criminal behavior..

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