Price help for widow

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Quoheleth

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A woman at church was recently widowed and asked a friend if he would be willing to look at her husband's firearms and determine an approximate worth for purpose of sale.

Tonight after a meeting at church, he & I were talking about the value of the guns. Most we can ballpark pretty well - a couple Remington 870s, etc. - but two have us scratching our heads a bit.

The first is a Ruger semi-auto .44 Magnum. I believe it was called the Deerfield, IIRC, and was sort-of a hybrid of the 10/22 and Mini-Thirty but chambered in the .44 Mag. The guy tonight said his research showed that Ruger marketed two "versions" of this gun, one a better grade and one a lower, "Walmart Special" grade. I haven't seen the gun and he couldn't remember the SN off the top of his head. From his description, the gun is in good condition. Any idea what a fair sale price would be on this rifle? For the sake of argument, let's say "good to very good" condition. Prices at the on-line auctions are literally a $500 spread, from $300 to $800 plus http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/580/Guns/Rifles/Ruger-Rifles/M44-Carbine.htm. Does $500 sound reasonable, or is the $400-range more realistic?

The second gun is a S&W revolver missing the yoke/crane assembly. It's a .38 Special. I suspect it is a Model 10 or earlier M&P, b/c I showed him my Model 15 and he said it looked very much like it but in nickle. When he pushed the cylinder release, the cylinder literally fell into his hand. Again, the gun is otherwise clean and in very good shape, but missing a rather important part. Would this have to be re-fitted at the factory? Obviously this greatly reduces its value...what would you ballpark this one at? Considering that police trade ins are running <$200, I'm thinking about $75.

Any thoughts are appreciated. I don't know that either of us really wants to buy these, but we might if needed, in which case, we want to offer fair prices.

Thanks,
Q
 
I don't pretend to know anything about what these guns are worth. However, the best way to judge that is to view the closed auctions on Gunbroker. You have to click on the 'advanced search' button, and then select 'closed (or completed) auctions' from the drop-down menu. You have to sign in to your account to see the results. (you'll notice a lot of things don't sell at all, so you've got to view the auctions to be sure).

This way, you can see what a gun actually sold for. What someone asks for it (as on gunsamerica) and what it will actually sell for - in the short term - can be very different things. This will let you know a today, right now, kind of price. Not some speculative, pie in the sky price that someone arbitrarily places on it.
 
Pictures would help, offer to list them here on the forum. I would say the ruger start at $500.00 the smith offer as is. I would still think it would be worth more than $100.00.
 
When he pushed the cylinder release, the cylinder literally fell into his hand.
It seems if the cylinder was in the gun at all, the crane must have been there to.

Perhaps all that is missing is the front screw in the sideplate that keeps the crane & cylinder assembly from falling out when you open it?

rc
 
Good question. I didn't see the gun. Looking at my Model 15, he pointed at the yoke/crane and said "this wasn't there."

She's out of town this weekend, visiting family out of state, so it'll be next week - minimum - before I could ask to see the pistol for the purpose of taking pictures.

Q
 
Is the .44mag the older one with a tube feed mag or the more modern one with the detachable mag 4rd? It seems like the more modern one.
 
On the "crane must have been in". The cylinder can be put into an S&W revolver and function after a fashion without the crane. The cylinder is held at the back and at the front of the extractor so the crane doesn't really support it. The crane is needed, though, because it governs headspace and end shake and, of course, supports the cylinder when it is swung out.

All that being said, the crane is an expensive part and its relationship with the cylinder and the frame is such that installing one is a job for a very expert pistolsmith or the factory. I don't think the factory will sell cranes for that reason.

Your best bet might be to call S&W and see if they will give you a ballpark figure, but it might be more than the gun is worth unless it is in good shape or is a scarce model.

Jim
 
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