Cheap way to attach a surefire G2 to my mossberg 590

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I'm going to chime in and say I believe the only way a light would be useful on a long gun is if you have complete control over it at all times without changing your hand placement. Not having complete control over the light at all times opens a whole host of problems in my opinion.

If you want the light to have fun, great. Clamps are awesome. But in a truly lethal night situation I think you'd be well advised to purchase a Surefire forend (it's a shame theyre the only dedicated forend producers on the market because I believe they're extremely overpriced) or at least use a sensor cord (ugly, but it gives you the complete control I think you should have). I say this because of reasons discussed 923084209840238 times before. A light can be a big advantage or a huge DISADVANTAGe depending on how it's equipped and used.
 
Zip Ties,

www.ATIgunstocks.com Mag Clamp Part #SMC100 Works better. 8$ From a gun show, probably a little more online.

PS if you want a really cheap light for HD use, close your eyes and see if you find all the light switches in your home........
 
I tired several different light mounts on my 590. The remote pressure switch is great, except for the fact you cant really tape the cord down, and it might get hung up on something and tear (happened to mine)

A G2 mounted to the fore end by using a section of rail worked alright (more "shadow" since there's more gun in the way), unless you have your thumb on the button when you fire (hurts like hell).

A G2 mounted to the mag tube is too far forward for comfort (for me), and it hurts like hell too, if you have your thumb on the button when you fire.

And, the one surefire lamp I replaced was in a G2, mounted to my 500. I've carried that same light in my pocket for 6 years or more using the replacement lamp. Shotgun recoil is hell on a hand-held light.

In short, you can try to find all kinds of ways to mount a light without buying a surefire fore end, but a surefire fore end is still the best way to do it. I would recommend the 623FGA over the 623FA though. The master power switch seems like something you can live without, until you live without it...

If I could think of a way to say it without being a jerk, I would, but if you're buying a Knoxx stock to reduce the recoil, you need to toughen up. I'm 6ft tall, weigh 150lbs, and IMO, it ain't that bad. If you're getting it for faster followup shots, practice more.
 
i agree with the surefire forend light on any model ACCEPT the 590

unless they have changed the design you have to cut off your bayonet lug to fit the surefire

now i know its a silly thing but alot of us who own a 590 own it for the accessories that came with it otherwise we would have bought the 500 pursuader so to lob off a chunk of the gun just for a light is a silly idea

and on surefires part to design a light that you have to cut your gun apart to fit is an even sillier idea

my suggestion for the 590 owners is either go with that new mount posted previously (after its finished) or get a mesa tactical mount and pressure switch with coils because complete control is required for defencive light use

otherwise pick a different gun to mount lights on i personaly will NOT cut my 590 to fit a surefire ill adapt and overcome with a "lesser" design rather than chopping up my baby
 
chopping up my baby
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Its all in how you look at it, I suppose. I wanted a good light, and the bayonet lug that I'll never use was in the way.

I normally mention that the bayonet lug has to come off. Thanks for pointing out what I forgot to mention.
 
lol, I love these kinds of threads where the OP states I want X, then before you know it, twenty guys are in the thread saying something along the lines of: "if you're serious about [insert self confidence booster here] you'll buy Y instead, otherwise, you're just having fun with a toy"

Look guys, I'd rather buy a hundred slugs then buy that surefire fore-end.


I'll give you a few reasons why:


1.) I've dumped tons of rounds down range with the hogue fore-end that I currently have on it. I'm extremely familiar with it, and it works extremely well for me.
Why would I add some bulky light that is radically going to change my left hand's grip on the gun?


2.) I, as a 6'3" 200 lb certified dude, use a Knoxx Compstock because it makes felt recoil next to nothing for me.
To be honest, I'm not really worried if other people think I'm tough or not.
If I can buy a cam and spring system that allows me to shoot better after practicing a bunch, than if I'd just practiced a bunch, I'm going to use it.

There are ways to modify the surefire fore-end so that it can be used with a knoxx stock, by the way.


3.) I replaced the bulb in my G2 with an LED. As most of you know, the LED is a solid state light source, meaning it is very tough. I'm betting that the LED could take more than 10 rounds of 12 ga, which is more than I ever hope to use in an emergency.


4.) I guess the Surefire fore-end is worth the money for some OPERATOR OPERATOR that is OPERATING every day of his life, but for me, I'd rather spend the money on ammo. you know.. to practice with.


In actuality, though, Delta boy just set off that little guy in my mind that loves a challenge.
I'm going to try and make one out of wood, hahahah.

If it works well, maybe I'll change my stocks to walnut, lol.

I'll report back next week.
 
i agree zach its all in what the owner wants
in the end we make our own choices and as silly as it is tacti-cool i do attatch a bayo just for SnGs every once in a while lol so i kept my lug but in the end the 590 is still my home protection plan so it needed a light so mesa tactical and surefire helped me out surefire just ended up doing it in a different way than the forend light
 
Here is how I attached my Dorcy light to my Mossberg. Just a $12 clamp off ebay. I put a thin strip of rubber between the clamp arms on the mag tube end so nothing moves. Shot some rounds to make sure it all held up. It fared well. I can easily toggle the light with my index finger on the forend.

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I also have a Surefire G2 LED but was told that it would not stand the shock of shotgun recoil. This is Surefire's customer service, not some store clerk mind you.

Here's the email:

The G2 LED will not take the recoil. Unfortunately there is no other bazel

Customer Service SUREFIRE
18300 Mt. Baldy Circle I Fountain Valley, CA 92708 I U.S.A.
T 714-545-9444 ex. 2210 T 800-828-8809 F 714-545-9537
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Does anyone have any experiences that would prove them wrong?
 
I've got an LED in mine, not the incandescent, Nasser.

Thanks though
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I know, so do I. What I'm saying is that customer service stated that the G2 LED would NOT stand the recoil. Read the email.

I'm thinking that they made that mistake though, confusing the standard G2 with the G2LED when it comes to robustness as I thought LEDs were pretty much shock proof.
 
'Doh; thanks for the clarification.

The reason incandescent bulbs fail under recoil is because the filament snaps as a result of the shock.


LEDs are solid state technology, meaning that the diode would literally have to pop outta place ( they're usually epoxied in there quite well) for the LED to fail.


I think that email from Sure-fire is just a "Cover our asses / buy something more expensive" routine.
 
Just as a mention, the G2 body is larger than 1" making it difficult to mount in some scope rings. It is actually 1.030" and .030" can make a big difference. In a Weaver ring, it is very difficult to get it to fit correctly. You would need some kind of a top closing ring such as the one pictured below. A Streamlight Polytac is a good choice because the LED is actually mounted on a bit of a spring. I haven't taken mine apart to see what makes it springy but it does depress when it is installed in the head of the flashlight meaning it should absorb some kind of recoil shock. I used a Cree R2 drop in for the LED in the G2 (saving myself about $15 over the Surefire LED version) but it doesn't have any kind of recoil absorption. Besides, Streamlight has a lifetime guarantee against breakage and the Polytac is only about $40 some places.

You can see here how much of a gap there is which isn't a big deal really but it doesn't fit like the Polytac does in the picture below the Surefire pic below.
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Just an update for the Mossberg owners. The MT clamp is very near being ready. Just wanted to put up a picture so you can get a better idea of what it's about. You can mount a rail on either side or a sling swivel dock. You can even take the barrel off without having to remove your light or laser. I designed it to fit the 590's as well but I don't have one here to try so I can't say for sure.

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I think that email from Sure-fire is just a "Cover our asses / buy something more expensive" routine.
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I think its "buy something more expensive." They now offer LED fore ends, but they don't have the shock-isolated bezel. Looks like they just cut down a 6P and threaded it into the fore end.

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Candew, I find it a little off that you say the G2 is a worse option than the because it doesn't "fit" like the polytac, but then on your website you say you have to "shim" the polytac in there.


What gives?

Personally, I'd rather have something a little too tight than having to "shim" it in there.


Also, I don't think anyone will shed a few tears if I carefully remove .030" from the body of a G2 :D
 
Surprisingly, I have seen a number of G2's mounted on my MOD-C. It's a great little light especially with the R2 LED drop in. I just can't get the dang thing in there. Yes, the Polytac is a little smaller and requires a little shimming. The clamp is designed for a 1" to a 1.015" light. The clamping slot allows for a nice tight closure on those specs without having to over torque the screws. I have an Ultrafire L2 I've been trying out and it fits great, but I don't like the tail cap clickie because it is reversed from normal. The main reason I like the Polytac over the G2 is, #1 price. It is actually less for the Polytac with an LED than a G2 with a Xenon, which you don't want to use due to recoil possibly destroying the bulb. #2, I like the tail cap clickie on the Polytac that gives me the option of a momentary on or full on just by how much I press it. With the G2, you have momentary on and then you have to twist it to go full on. Other than that, they are both excellent lights.
 
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