kahr pm45 vs glock 26

I had a Kahr PM9 that I couldn't get to run right. It seems that the Kahr polymer pistols are the problem guns. From everything I have read, the Kahr steel pistols are fine.

Go with Glock.

2cooltools. My kahr PM9 loaded with 124 grain gold dots weighs 18 ounces.

m2steven. Yup kahrs won't hold up!!! My PM9 has 25,000 rounds down range and has never given one issue. Change recoil springs ever so often and oh yes it can and does ride in my front pocket 24/7.

is it as reliable as glocks??? ask the Indiana state police who bought 1200 new G22's about 4 yerars ago and had so many issues that glock had to step in and take ALL OF THE G22's back and reissued them G17, which they carry to this day. Yup glocks will never let u down, down, down, down. I own a G19 and love it great range and home defense gun, certaily won't ride in my front pocket. If u can't carry it 24/7 then it ain't a ccw/defense gun, IMO.

I trust my kahr as much as my G19 that is for sure and vice versa. Both great guns, both IMO designed to do different things...

I have a PM45 that have had one jam with, at round 39, during the 200 round break in period, it has run 100% for me ever since. I love the little gun but I think a glock would be more reliable, meaning it wouldn't need a 200 rd break in and it would be more "user friendly" ..........You know a point and click type of gun.

I also think the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of complaints with the PM45 are operator malfunction, that would be why KAHR sends them back and then they have the same problem as when it left.....the operator hasn't been fixed.

I'll break it down like I honestly see it.

Glock pros

easier assembly/disassembly process, lower maintance......especially for the people who don't read an owners manual

Round count.......You can never have to many

More reliable, mainly because of no break in required and less prone to operator screw ups

More holster options

I think the finish will hold up better....I have seen pics of worn Kahr's, but mine seems to be holding up fine. I've never seen a severely worn Glock

more options due to popularity, Interchangeable mags and such



Kahr Pros

accuracy is amazing for such a short barrel or even a long one

recoil is shockingly mild..... significantly less than my XD .40

concealment, due to smaller size......I pocket carry mine in carpenter pants

trigger is much better

Grip angle and general 'feel of the gun are the best I ever held

it isn't butt ugly.....couldn't help it


I don't know about either's Customer Service as I have never had to use either.
In the end I think the KAHR is superior in quality and the Glock is more "user friendly" they both have their place. I wanted an reliable, accurate, pocketable, .45 so I bought the KAHR and couldn't be happier, I do keep it good and clean I suspect it would have trouble, as would any quality tight fitting auto, if I didn't.

2cooltools. My kahr PM9 loaded with 124 grain gold dots weighs 18 ounces.

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Yep. I weighed mine and it does, too! (actually almost 19). I mixed apples and oranges. I got the PM9 data from an old chart of mine and it already had the mag weight added, then I added it again. Oops...I'll fix it later...wife is yellin right now.

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OK, fixed now. Double checked the other Kahrs, too. They were OK. Just added the mag weight twice on the PM9. (My EDC also, by the way.)

Deep South gave me a pretty good starting point:

Glock pros

easier assembly/disassembly process, lower maintance......especially for the people who don't read an owners manual

Round count.......You can never have to many

More reliable, mainly because of no break in required and less prone to operator screw ups
Should read more reliable due to huge chambers that deform and wreck brass for reloading.

Polygonal rifling that increase speed, but means no cheap lead reloads for practice.

Generally undersprung for caliber, and, require new springs early on.

More holster options

I think the finish will hold up better....I have seen pics of worn Kahr's, but mine seems to be holding up fine. I've never seen a severely worn Glock

more options due to popularity, Interchangeable mags and such

Cheap to customize, but, for some of us, really needs customizing to shoot the gun well. Better trigger, replacement barrel, with standard rifling, and, tighter, better supported chambers.

Over-priced, but, high production and police trade-ins mean deals ARE out there.


Glock 30 has been known to shoot 45 Super easily, with minor modification, and, the Glock 29 is 10MM, the only out of the box service calibers that really gets the service calibers out of the marginal category.


Kahr Pros

accuracy is amazing for such a short barrel or even a long one

recoil is shockingly mild..... significantly less than my XD .40

concealment, due to smaller size......I pocket carry mine in carpenter pants

trigger is much better

Grip angle and general 'feel of the gun are the best I ever held

it isn't butt ugly.....couldn't help it

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Kahr seems to take a while to get it right. I think they learned the idea of beta testing new products on the populace from Glock.

Over-priced. Production is either low, or demand very high.

Tight chambers, stiff for caliber springs, require break in period. But, when broken in, the gun is sprung properly for caliber.

Also brass lasts longer, and is easily reloadable.

both good guns, we can nit pick eachone tillthe cows come homne but they will both go bang when needed and I own them both and love them both and carry only one due to size and weight. I think u can figure that one out..

Stumbled upon a review some of you might want to read.

gun test | handguns 2009 buyer's guide, p. 32-37
by walt rauch


glock 36
the glock pistol is about as simple and user-friendly as a semi-auto can be. It is also extremely reliable and its durability second to none. The glock uses a tenifer finish on its primary metal parts and its frame is made from a variation of a polymer (dupont 66) which is equally as durable, if not more so, than metal. The glock is a 20th century version of the revolver. Load it, pull the trigger to fire and otherwise keep your finger off its safe action trigger the trigger is more double-action than single-action, but doesnít fit either technical definition. What it does provide, though, is a relatively heavy, 6 to 9 pound but short trigger pull. It moves further to fire than the single-action but less than the double-action trigger. In effect, you get the best of both (trigger) worlds in a carry pistol.
The glock 36 uses a dual recoil spring, but the glock system is longer (with matching slide configuration) than those used in the colt and kahr pistols. It, too, should be changed frequently.
An examination of the g36 magazine shows that much thought has gone into developing it. Technically, it is a staggered rather than a single-column magazine. While wider and longer than the colt and kahr magazines, it is set up to hold only six rounds. Its base pad encircles the magazine body, allowing a stronger and longer spring. It is apparent to me that mr. Glock made a deliberate effort to ensure reliability over super compactness.
Iíve tested one and found that it runs with all standard-velocity and the few +p loads i fired. Range accuracy is all that one could ask for. When i do my part and donít jerk the trigger, i get 2-inch five-shot groups at 20 yards from a seated and arm-rested position. This sample happens to have the original white dot front and white outline square notch rear sight changed to heinie straight eight night sights by its owner. Which are the better? My wife swears by glock factory sights, as do many others. I like them and the heinie sights too. Fortunately, the glock sights are dovetailed into the slide and are easily removed or adjusted for windage. The frame is stippled on its sides with raised cross-hatching on front and backstrap and, like all glocks, gives the shooter a good gripping surface.


kahr pm45

kahr pm45 with two groups of five rounds each, 2.5" and 2", at 20 yards.
The kahr pm45 has evolves from the full-sized version. Justin moon is the inventor and designer of the kahr arms pistol. He took features from the glock design and added his own. He has freely acknowledged his admiration for the glock design.
The kahr arms pistol uses a trigger mechanism similar to the glock, but moon figured out a way to give much more of a double-action trigger pull feel to it. The kahr pistols are quite slim and made from either all stainless steel or stainless steel slides on a polymer frame. Beginning with a compact pistol, moon both downsized and up-sized his design. Here, he did his work in further reducing the size of his p45 pistol into the pm45.
The kahr guns use the same dual recoil spring system as the glock and the colt new agent. I queried a kahr arms representative concerning the pm45ís spring life and was told replacing it every 1000 rounds is advised, assuming standard-velocity loads. Moon's answer to proper timing was very much correct by limiting magazine capacity to five rounds in a magazine body, which could well hold six, particularly if a hollow base pad were to be used.
Range work with the pm 45 was the same as líve experienced with all the kahr pistols in other calibers iíve tested, reliable, accurate, easy to use. And, they have no external manual safeties. Trigger pull weight runs in the 6 pound range and to use and it works like a double-action revolver.
Five rounds fired supported from a table rest will do 2-inch groups from 15 yards without much effort. The sights are three white dots or three tritium inserts surrounded by white in the ramp front and square notch rear and dovetailed into the slide. The frame is “checkered” and pebbled for gripping.

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The Glock 36 is the problem child of the bunch, but I think they have it sorted by now.

The Glock 27 and 26 are fine weapons that I can count on. I know they are going to work. I've never ever had a Glock malfunction in my hands ever. Ever. I can recommend G26/27/33/23/19/17/32/21/20 easy. Have fired/ owned each and they were all flawless.


Kahr's would be flying off the shelf if they actually worked. To anyone who has 1000 rounds through a Kahr with no malfuntions. I am jealouse. Don't ever sell that Kahr because there are a whole lot of Kahr lemons out there. And it shows, I have a fine selection of dusty Kahrs at my local store. They just don't move.

If Kahr can work out there bugs I'll be the first to grab a P380. Great, comfortable, slim, well finished guns, perfect for carry. If only I could count on them.

But I need a carry gun to run 100%. My Glocks do that.

I don't think it's the reliability, but the price. Kahr's are around 600-1000 dollars in this area. Glocks are under 600. The Kahr's are NOT near worth two glocks, that simple.

Plus, not much you can do with a Kahr except shoot it.

No new super accurate barrels with tight chambers. No trigger jobs. Just buy, shoot.

What I can't figure out is why the Glock subcompact Glocks that look by far the best on paper are ignored:
The 33, if you are a light fast, high capacity type: 357 125's at .357 Magnum velocity, or, if you are heavy and kind of fast the G39 .45 GAP, 200 grains at 950 fps, or 185's at 1000 fps?