Question about HK p7

Ask Brownie, he has more than a couple of them.

The 8 round metal mag of the P7 does protrude out from the front, even more than the Sig. I used to have both and am trying to remember.

If the Sig 225 was a problem, the P7 might be too.

The P7 grip seems to me to be a bit fatter and longer (taller) than the 225 but not by much. The P7 also seems bigger from front to back than the 225.

But how the hand fits on that grip is the key. The Sig 225 felt like any other gun the P7 has a unique feel to it, thanks to the decocker.

Need to pick one up in your mits and see...any gunshows in your area?
Also P7's do sell well (if reasonably priced) so if you don't like it someone will buy it off you.

i've been told by every local gunshop that carrries these that they heat up pretty quick on the range, on the under side of the frame above the trigger (due to the little "gas chamber").

they say this occurs after maybe 1 box of ammo.

might not be the ideal range weapon, but they seem to like it for carry as it's accurate, reliable, and thin/easy to conceal.

by the way, extra mags are super expensive for it too.

Sounds like you need a HK P7M13. This is the double stack version of this truly amazing weapon holding 13+1 9mm.

Due to the width of the double stack mag, the grip is considerably wider than the P7 or P7M8, both of which are single stacks. This should be perfect for your large hands, plus you get the added capacity of this weapon. Of note, the M13 grip is also slightly longer than the other two models, which should help you in the matter of your finger smashing against the mag protrusion.

BTW, in 30 years of active shooting, military, sport, and civilian duty, I have not found another gun that can stack up against the P7 in build quality, accuracy, reliability, ergonomics, trigger, engineering, safety, and compactness. This gun is truly a work of art.

Yes, the P7 series of guns heat up due to the gas chamber. Not a factor in daily carry, home defense, or duty applications. However, if you plan to take this weapon to the range for THE DAY, I highly recommend wearing shooting gloves, and a couple other P7s so one can cool while you shoot the other.

Good luck and Happy Shooting!

No way to answer other than to tell you to try it out.

My buddy is 6'5 and shoots one without problem, and I've sold one to a lady who was 5'0 who loves it. Plenty of 5'10 guys have shot mine and said they didn't like the way it felt in their hand.

I own a 225 as well and I think they feel very different in the hand than a P7.

P7 is amazing, but heats up quickly!

I have not found another gun that can stack up against the P7 in build quality, accuracy, reliability, ergonomics, trigger, engineering, safety, and compactness. This gun is truly a work of art.

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+1 the gun is a work of art, its biggest drawback (other than cost) is its weight. It is a heavy hunk of steel for only 8+1 rounds of 9mm.

The M13 is a substantial grip and is even heavier.

Here is a photo comparison that may help. The guns are to scale (P225 height = 5.2" and P7 = 5.0") and are aligned at the lip of the magazine baseplate.

i saw a couple at gander mountain in great shape for $599. is that a good price? it was the single stack p7. just curious.

Yes.

$599 is not bad for a nice one and to pick the one you want. The best mail order prices ($525 + $16 shipping) seem to be here at the moment.

wish i had the money...those things have a great trigger pull.

You can send them to Robar and get an NP3 treatment:





Yes it gets warm at the range, but I let it cool while I fire another pistol. It's not a problem, IMHO. THe positives outweigh the negatives. I think the M8 model has a heat shield, if you can find one of those.

hey, that's pretty nice looking with that fancy finish, rodentman

looks like they did the mags too. was it expensive?

JMOfartO:

First let me say I love the fine H&K P7..

Now having said that I have found FOR ME the H&K P7 is simply not the best choice for a 9MM personal defense weapon.

I think that any pistol lover should have a P7 in his little stash, but more for casual plinking and just because the pistol is of such high quality and it's firing action is so unique.

Amazingly accurate, absolutely reliable...

Some folks take right to the "squeezecocking" aspect, some never do. The P7 will heat up pretty good after 4-5 (8rd) mags are fired in succession, but for practical carry use that's not even a factor.

I had three "A" grade HK P7's purchased thru CDNN when they were first released and all have been excellent. I sold one of them to finance the purchase of an H&K P2000sk (V3) and for me, it was an excellent trade off.

The P2000sk is a standard TDA platform, offers two more rounds of capacity, and with the Xgrip and the mag from a full size P2000 you have a capacity of 13+1, and a "longer" grip for those with larger hands.

Apples to oranges sure, but just saying that for me the P7, as good as it is, was not precisely what I needed in a cc weapon, and the P2000sk has been.

The good thing about a P7.. If you buy it at a reasonable price you can always sell it later if you aren't happy with it. I predict if you buy one you will love it, but eventually find some other pistol that works better for you for daily cc duty.

I could be wrong, been wrong before...

I don't carry my favorite P7 daily, but I'm NOT selling it either..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

The HK P7 is one of the finest pistols I've ever had the pleasure of owning. With a decent holster (I carry with a Matt Del Fatti ISP/LP IWB) and gun belt the weight is not a concern. It is one of the most accurate pistols I own due to its fixed 4.13" barrel and the safest to carry IMHO. I own both the P7PSP and the P7M8. I carry the PSP. The only downside to the P7 is the cost of additional magazines. I have three mags per pistol and call it good. As long as the gas recoil piston and squeeze cocking mechanism are in good order the price you're looking at is reasonable. Once you get into the P7 and get used to shooting it you'll never look back. Enjoy.

The Robar NP3 refinishing was $285, including 1 mag. The extra mag cost $20 to refinish. They charge $20 to mask the bbl since it cannot be treated nor removed. I let Robar decide on the "metal prep and polishing" as needed at $75/hour. They charged me 1 hour. I figured I'd rather have the job as best as possible and not cut corners. I had no idea what "metal prep and polishing" would be needed.

So it came to $385, which isn't cheap, and some people prefer to keep the P7 as made for collector value, but I like the Robar treatment!

P7 Porn

powerhouse:

The P7 is a fantastic pistol. It is my preferred carry after experimenting with several different makes and manuals-of-arms. The grip is longer than it looks, although probably the only way you will know it fits is to try one.

One of the best and most under-appreciated reasons for everyday carry of the P7 is the manual of arms. As someone said, "it goes from perfectly safe to perfectly deadly" in a split second. It does this with either hand and without snagging on anything.

For me, this means I have great confidence in getting it ready quickly, but still feel it provides me that little extra piece of mind for cloth holster carry, or should anyone ever pick it up due to my inattention. If you like the idea of SOME safety, but want it as robust and intuitive as possible, this is it. You will never activate it by mistake, but when you are in a hurry you will never fail to clench your fist as your bring the gun on target... Voila, squeeze-cocked and ready to go with a nice single-action trigger pull.

It is very thin and thus conceals well on a range of body types.

Lots more written about it elsewhere.
e.g.
Ultimate P7 Pro/Con FAQ

As for the heat... I own two, and sometimes take both to the range if I know I'll be shooting a lot. That said, I went through a 2-day defensive course with just one, and the heat wasn't that big a deal. I think the "heat problem" is a bit overrated. This is referring to the PSP-style, which doesn't even have a heat shield. Should be even less of a problem with the P7M8.

They are super well-built, extremely clever in design, and solid as a brick you-know-what. IMHO, the PSP-style pistols (P7 non-M8) were built earlier and seem a bit more solid yet. They are a great deal.

Enjoy,
David

ETA: For finishes, I've had good luck with melonite (nitrocarburizing, like Glock's Tenifer and HK's Hostile Environment finishes). Harder to find someone who does these now. Lots of people hard chrome them and report good success.

Also, a great, reasonably inexpensive and quickly-available holster. My best IWB out of about 5 so far:
AKJ Concealco IWB

This has a funny-looking position of the front loop but it works like magic, especially with such a thin gun. They make the holster a bit longer for the P7, and are used to fitting them.

If you want a classic OWB design, the Alessi CQC/S is hard to beat.
Numerous less well-known but good alternatives also exist...

HTH,
David