Found "Generation 4" Glock for sale today...

Good find. Still don't like it...

Would you say the smallest option(bare gun, iguess?) feels smaller than a gen 3 frame?

I am hoping to see a gen4 g21 with a smaller grip than current SF models as standard. Then a backstrap for SF grip and one for the standard glock grip. Thats what it seems everyone wants, but I am sure glock will let us all down. They will probably add a backstrap to make it even bigger than standard, because thats how much glock listens to the customer base.

Someone over at Glock should be slapped in the face for what they're doing to the product line. It won't hurt them in the long-run as long as they keep making the Gen 3 guns, but it sure makes them look like idiots as far as I'm concerned. I'll never understand why they decided to go this route.

People want a "hump-less" Glock and more "slimline" models in the product line-up. However, they would need to be better than the 36, which was engineered poorly IMO. If they made single-stack versions of the glock 26,19,21,etc. they would have something successful. Kahr wouldn't stand a chance with their poor quality control and crappy customer service. Yet, instead of listening to what people want and capitalizing on it, they decided to go further in the wrong direction. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

If they made single-stack versions of the glock 26,19,21,etc. they would have something successful. Kahr wouldn't stand a chance with their poor quality control and crappy customer service. Yet, instead of listening to what people want and capitalizing on it, they decided to go further in the wrong direction. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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Glock is a global military and police small arms manufacture. There is no real market for such weapons except a very small amount of American CCW'ers.

But how did it point ?

I agree, Glock went out of their way to ignore the wants of the consumer on this one..............again.....

But how did it point ?

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Only dirt shooters care how a handgun "points". They put sights on them for a reason.

Glock went out of their way to ignore the wants of the consumer on this one..............again.....

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No they did not. Glock does not care what you want, they care what the worlds military and police organizations want as they are the largest consumer.

Yawn...

Paint a brick.......and it's still a brick.
Who'd-a-thunkit?

CPshooter said:

Someone over at Glock should be slapped in the face for what they're doing to the product line. It won't hurt them in the long-run as long as they keep making the Gen 3 guns, but it sure makes them look like idiots as far as I'm concerned. I'll never understand why they decided to go this route.

People want a "hump-less" Glock and more "slimline" models in the product line-up. However, they would need to be better than the 36, which was engineered poorly IMO. If they made single-stack versions of the glock 26,19,21,etc. they would have something successful. Kahr wouldn't stand a chance with their poor quality control and crappy customer service. Yet, instead of listening to what people want and capitalizing on it, they decided to go further in the wrong direction. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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As those before have stated, Glock's customers are police/military. The changes to the new gun reflect the requests by those customers. Also, the trigger on my Kahr is far better and smoother than on my Glock. I would still carry my PM9 even if Glock made the same size gun and this is coming from a huge Glock fan.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the 3rd generation Glocks.

If it aint broke, then why try and "fix" it?

Not much has changed. Not impressed.

I hope they make the 20/20SF/21/21SF in the 4th generation style. The large frame is the one that needs the most reduction.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

CPshooter said:

Yet, instead of listening to what people want and capitalizing on it, they decided to go further in the wrong direction. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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I'm neither a Glock hater nor lover, particularly, but one thing that strikes me about the company is that they rarely if ever acknowledge a shortcoming using either words or deeds (i.e. they'll fix reliability or structural issues but usually characterize it as something else). I guess it would go against their marketing of "perfection" to change (or offer options on) certain things such as grip angle, for example. The suggestion here that they're simply giving their largest markets, namely LEO and military, what they want may have some validity, but I can't help but think that consumers in these markets must be asking for some of the same changes as those in the civilian commercial sector.

I don't love glocks and don't hate them.

But it does seem that they missed the boat on WHY the market was begging for an update. They just saw the M&P and XDm shipping lots of units.


Modular backstraps could have fixed:

slide bite - solution would be a beavertail on frame, or perhaps bake one into a backstrap given how long the gen 4 backstraps are. no beavertail.

small hands - modular backstraps allow for a smaller and larger grip size. On a gun already considered too bulky by a lot of people, they offer original recipie, bigger, and extra huge form the sounds of it. DOH!

Better grippiness/texture:

stippling - ok you get some better texture. But part of what a LOT of people didn't like was having molded in finger grooves was part of the last solution to more gripiness, and finger grooves are not one size fits all. I know a number of competitive shooters that are looking to go M&P or XD/XDm once their gen 2 frames give up the ghost, and it is because of the finger grooves.

Bigger/better mag catch:

pretty honking big mag catch - I'll have to meet it in person. But the extended mag catch was mostly a competitive thing, and their was a solution for it that worked fine from the factory. That one looks bigger and like it will interfere with a very high grip, kind of like the figner grooves can for some folks.

No they did not. Glock does not care what you want, they care what the worlds military and police organizations want as they are the largest consumer.

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And all leo/military are 7ft tall with gorilla hands? They went replceable backstrap because they are losing ground to weapons with that option. People dont want a 2x4 grip anymore. Glock will continue to lose contracts as they have blatently ignored the market again.

Good find. Still don't like it...

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yep, don't like it either. the gen 4 glock is nothing more than a lame attempt to slow down the m&p's momentum in the LE market.

i'll stick with my gen 3.

Hmmm, Ed's is selling them for $398 with GSSF discount or $498 w/o.

Hmm. Looks like my hand will not fit again on those fat glock grips even with the slim backstrap. I will check it out if my fingers will reach properly the trigger else...pass again. continue with the 1911 and maybe glock can offer me something in Gen 5.

Hmm. Looks like my hand will not fit again on those fat glock grips even with the slim backstrap. I will check it out if my fingers will reach properly the trigger else...pass again. continue with the 1911 and maybe glock can offer me something in Gen 5.

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Are you referring to the G21 or all Glocks?

I like Glocks. They are trying to catch up with S&W's M&P on features and doing a good job.

I am a lefty and want to see how the reverseable mag release works on the GLOCK.

The new GLOCK Annual Magazine says the medium size backstrap will mimic the Generation 3 frame shape. Then there will be a smaller backstrap and a bigger backstrap included.

But guys, think about it. You don't need to worry about the hump still existing and whatnot. Everyone and their brother will now be making aftermarket backstraps for these things in any shape size and curvature you can dream up. Gen 4s are now infinitely adaptable as far as grip shape is concerned.

I'm interested in trying one for myself before I begin prejudging GLOCK's new line like a lot of people seem to be doing on the net forums. GLOCK can't really win in opinion polls it seems. If they don't change anything, people complain that they are behind the times and refusing to change. If they do change, people complain that they hate the changes and GLOCK is ruining their line of guns with new fangled ideas. GLOCK can't be everything to everyone guys.

I remember my reaction when I first heard about these new "plastic" guns an unknown company with a funny name was selling quite a few of. Never thought I'd own or want one. My favorite guns now. I would never have believed it all those years ago. Change can be good.

But guys, think about it. You don't need to worry about the hump still existing and whatnot. Everyone and their brother will now be making aftermarket backstraps for these things in any shape size and curvature you can dream up. Gen 4s are now infinitely adaptable as far as grip shape is concerned.

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I dont think so. The way I understand it, and from the pictures it seems that way, is that the gun is made to the smallest size and the backstraps attach to it to make it bigger. Making it any smaller than the smallest size would still require everything it does now.

The new GLOCK Annual Magazine says the medium size backstrap will mimic the Generation 3 frame shape. Then there will be a smaller backstrap and a bigger backstrap included.

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there's only 2 backstraps. without any attached it's an SF grip (which sux). then the "medium" backstrap is the normal glock grip, and the next one is even larger (which hardly anyone on earth wants)

my guess is there might be a revised gen4 coming out in the next year or two, as this one looks like a disaster.