Woods gun.

IMO a boltgun isn't any slower to the second shot that a levergun IF you take the time to learn proper technique and don't use a 56X optic cranked up all the way. But honestly if a second shot is actually THAT important an ability to you you should leave the thumbbusters at home and carry an autoloader or pump.

I have used a follow up ONCE and in that instance I could have ONLY done so with an autoloader it happened so fast.

Craig:There have been several occasions where I needed a quick follow-up and the levergun delivered.

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A bolt action will give you just as quick a follow-up as a lever gun.

Abel: Let's not go throwing the j-word around. I was simply pointing out that the 30-30 is plenty big enough for close range work. You're being overly sensitive.

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I guess I'm a little offended because you quote half my post, leaving out the other half where I mention the advantages of the .762x39.

That would be this part:

Of course, you can buy .763x39 plinking and practice ammo for dirt cheap, and that may be what he has in mind. I couldn't argue with that reasoning. There's .762x39 hunting ammo that will perform just fine on deer sized game, and cheap ammo available for general fun and practice.

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CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39!!!! Super accurate, light, handy, beautiful, and cheap to feed!!!

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Yeah, that right there is probably the best answer to the question asked.

I guess I'm a little offended because you quote half my post, leaving out the other half where I mention the advantages of the .762x39

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You seem miffed.

You seem miffed.

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I took a handful of prozac and feel much better now.

^ <laughs> ^

You guys could make
a great comedy team.

Abel and Kodiak.
Kinda like Penn and Teller,
but both talk and carrying guns.
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Now, about this woods gun.

Right now, seems the bolt advocates have it ...

The real answer is to buy both a woods lever gun & a woods bolt gun. That's why gun safes have multiple slots.

If there's a lot of trees in the way, he might want to consider a .50 BMG with AP rounds that go right through trees. Does anybody make a lever action .50 BMG?

Just get yourself a Remington 141 in 35 Remington and sleep well at night.

Just get yourself a Remington 141 in 35 Remington and sleep well at night.

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Now you're talkin'. That is a classy gun.

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A bolt action will give you just as quick a follow-up as a lever gun.

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This is not true, it takes two movements to cock a turn bolt and only one to cock a levergun. The bolt gun is especially slower when in the upright position. I'd challenge anyone to equal the time that the cowboy shooters run off ten shots with their leverguns and hit the targets against anyone with a bolt. I am sure you can find it on you tube somewhere, but I believe the record is ten shots in 1.9 secs. Try that with a bolt.

LR-308-T is very lightweight, handy and accurate.

Note size comparison.

I'd challenge anyone to equal the time that the cowboy shooters run off ten shots with their leverguns and hit the targets against anyone with a bolt.

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You might want to try that in the real world instead of hitting a pan ten feet away with some wimpy cowboy load designed for speed shooting. The record for a bolt action is 38 hits (2 misses) on a 12 inch plate at 300 yards in 1 minute - including three reloads. Those are full power .303 army loads, not low-recoil toy loads used in cowboy competitions. I don't think any lever gun could do that.

Anyway, a bolt action in the hands of a good rifleman can do some pretty amazing things.

I believe the record is ten shots in 1.9 secs. Try that with a bolt.

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Who cares how fast they can shoot loads that equal the foot pounds of my CO-2 airsoft pistol?

Put some REAL loads in there, put the plate at 100 yds and THEN do the comparison.

This is not true, it takes two movements to cock a turn bolt

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then you're not doing it right.

^ And the correct way is ________________________.

CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39!!!! Super accurate, light, handy, beautiful, and cheap to feed!!!

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+1 on the CZ 527 Carbine....I had one and they are a great brush gun. Perfect for what the OP is looking for.

94 winchester 32 special. Shoot cast or jacketed bullets. Good to go!

Mini-14 or 30.

Marlin or Winchester Trapper versions in .357, .44, or 30-30.

M-1 carbine.

Marlin Camp 9 or .45.

This would be my order of choices.

Just get yourself a Remington 141 in 35 Remington and sleep well at night.

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+1
I didn't think anyone had one of those 'cept me!
Mines a .32 REM caliber with a folding Weaver K2.5 60-B

A bolt action will give you just as quick a follow-up as a lever gun.

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Sorry but this is simply not true. If you think it is, you're not operating your levergun properly. With a boltgun, there are four distinct motions to be completed, all without losing your sights. Yes, you can do them so smoothly that it appears to be one rapid, fluid motion but the four movements are still there. With a levergun there are only two. All you have to do is flick your wrist (which any good rifleman would do as soon as the first shot breaks) and on the upward movement your trigger finger comes to rest right back on the trigger.

As a side bonus, with a boltgun, the length of the bolt throw is determined by the action length. Thus, there is not really any way to build skill that rapidly translates from rimfire to centerfire. With leverguns, unless you're talking about the big `95, they are all very similar.

Comments about the powderpuff loads used in competition aside, a decent CAS shooter is a very good example of how quickly a levergun can be operated. Show me somebody who can operate a .22 (similar recoil level) boltgun as quickly (at any range) and I'll gladly eat my hat.

Out on the western edge of the Edwards Plateau in west central Texas, shots on game (deer, javalinas, cats, and coyotes) will range from 30 yards in heavy brush to over 300 yards in a powerline cut. My two "brush guns" for these conditions are a Ruger Frontier 308 with a 2.5 x scout scope and a Ruger #1 RSI 30-06 with a 4x40 fixed power scope.

However, I believe in one well placed shot, not throwing lead and hoping something falls down.

Again, I'm not talking about pure speed with squib loads at five yard targets. I'm talking about real world shots at real world ranges with full power loads.

A good comparison might a Winchester 95 in 30.06 against a Springfield rifle at 200 yard targets. If the shooters were of equal skill, I think you'd find the results about equal also.

Nor am I, obviously. For all the examples I gave were with hunting rifles shooting full power loads. The .405 in particular is 180° from your "squib loads at five yard targets". Given two shooters of equal skill level, or should I say, equal time spent building skill, the levergun will be quicker every time.