Woods gun.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 30mag, Apr 26, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    11,523
    Location:
    Northwest Arkansas
    IMO a boltgun isn't any slower to the second shot that a levergun IF you take the time to learn proper technique and don't use a 56X optic cranked up all the way. But honestly if a second shot is actually THAT important an ability to you you should leave the thumbbusters at home and carry an autoloader or pump.

    I have used a follow up ONCE and in that instance I could have ONLY done so with an autoloader it happened so fast.
     
  2. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    A bolt action will give you just as quick a follow-up as a lever gun.
     
  3. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    I guess I'm a little offended because you quote half my post, leaving out the other half where I mention the advantages of the .762x39.

    That would be this part:
     
  4. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

    Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2007
    Messages:
    13,146
    Yeah, that right there is probably the best answer to the question asked.
     
  5. Abel

    Abel Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2010
    Messages:
    2,005
    Location:
    Eastern CONUS
    You seem miffed.
     
  6. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    I took a handful of prozac and feel much better now.
     
  7. AStone

    AStone Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2005
    Messages:
    24,176
    Location:
    Far N, E coast
    ^ <laughs> ^

    You guys could make
    a great comedy team.

    Abel and Kodiak.
    Kinda like Penn and Teller,
    but both talk and carrying guns.
    ___________

    Now, about this woods gun.

    Right now, seems the bolt advocates have it ...
     
  8. Abel

    Abel Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2010
    Messages:
    2,005
    Location:
    Eastern CONUS
    The real answer is to buy both a woods lever gun & a woods bolt gun. That's why gun safes have multiple slots.
     
  9. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    If there's a lot of trees in the way, he might want to consider a .50 BMG with AP rounds that go right through trees. Does anybody make a lever action .50 BMG?
     
  10. Old Shooter

    Old Shooter Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    1,185
    Location:
    New York
    Just get yourself a Remington 141 in 35 Remington and sleep well at night.
     
  11. Abel

    Abel Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2010
    Messages:
    2,005
    Location:
    Eastern CONUS
    Now you're talkin'. That is a classy gun.
     
  12. Old Time Hunter

    Old Time Hunter Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    453
    Location:
    Hinterlands of Wisconsin
    This is not true, it takes two movements to cock a turn bolt and only one to cock a levergun. The bolt gun is especially slower when in the upright position. I'd challenge anyone to equal the time that the cowboy shooters run off ten shots with their leverguns and hit the targets against anyone with a bolt. I am sure you can find it on you tube somewhere, but I believe the record is ten shots in 1.9 secs. Try that with a bolt.
     
  13. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    7,402
    Location:
    all over Virginia
    LR-308-T is very lightweight, handy and accurate.

    Note size comparison.

    DPMSAK-47comparison.jpg
     
  14. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    You might want to try that in the real world instead of hitting a pan ten feet away with some wimpy cowboy load designed for speed shooting. The record for a bolt action is 38 hits (2 misses) on a 12 inch plate at 300 yards in 1 minute - including three reloads. Those are full power .303 army loads, not low-recoil toy loads used in cowboy competitions. I don't think any lever gun could do that.

    Anyway, a bolt action in the hands of a good rifleman can do some pretty amazing things.
     
  15. David E

    David E Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2008
    Messages:
    7,455
    Who cares how fast they can shoot loads that equal the foot pounds of my CO-2 airsoft pistol?

    Put some REAL loads in there, put the plate at 100 yds and THEN do the comparison.
     
  16. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    11,523
    Location:
    Northwest Arkansas
    then you're not doing it right.
     
  17. AStone

    AStone Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2005
    Messages:
    24,176
    Location:
    Far N, E coast
    ^ And the correct way is ________________________.
     
  18. MikePaiN

    MikePaiN Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,029
    Location:
    CT, USA
    +1 on the CZ 527 Carbine....I had one and they are a great brush gun. Perfect for what the OP is looking for.
     
  19. Powerglide

    Powerglide Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2010
    Messages:
    211
    Location:
    SW Nations, Oklahoma
    94 winchester 32 special. Shoot cast or jacketed bullets. Good to go!
     
  20. LEVRLOVR

    LEVRLOVR Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    204
    Location:
    Texas
    Mini-14 or 30.

    Marlin or Winchester Trapper versions in .357, .44, or 30-30.

    M-1 carbine.

    Marlin Camp 9 or .45.

    This would be my order of choices.
     
  21. XxWINxX94

    XxWINxX94 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2009
    Messages:
    765
    Location:
    C(r)ook County, Illinois
    +1
    I didn't think anyone had one of those 'cept me!
    Mines a .32 REM caliber with a folding Weaver K2.5 60-B
     

    Attached Files:

  22. CraigC
    • Contributing Member

    CraigC Sixgun Nut

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    20,440
    Location:
    West Tennessee
    Sorry but this is simply not true. If you think it is, you're not operating your levergun properly. With a boltgun, there are four distinct motions to be completed, all without losing your sights. Yes, you can do them so smoothly that it appears to be one rapid, fluid motion but the four movements are still there. With a levergun there are only two. All you have to do is flick your wrist (which any good rifleman would do as soon as the first shot breaks) and on the upward movement your trigger finger comes to rest right back on the trigger.

    As a side bonus, with a boltgun, the length of the bolt throw is determined by the action length. Thus, there is not really any way to build skill that rapidly translates from rimfire to centerfire. With leverguns, unless you're talking about the big `95, they are all very similar.

    Comments about the powderpuff loads used in competition aside, a decent CAS shooter is a very good example of how quickly a levergun can be operated. Show me somebody who can operate a .22 (similar recoil level) boltgun as quickly (at any range) and I'll gladly eat my hat.
     
  23. Dr T

    Dr T Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Messages:
    1,339
    Location:
    Colorado and West Texas
    Out on the western edge of the Edwards Plateau in west central Texas, shots on game (deer, javalinas, cats, and coyotes) will range from 30 yards in heavy brush to over 300 yards in a powerline cut. My two "brush guns" for these conditions are a Ruger Frontier 308 with a 2.5 x scout scope and a Ruger #1 RSI 30-06 with a 4x40 fixed power scope.

    However, I believe in one well placed shot, not throwing lead and hoping something falls down.
     
  24. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    Again, I'm not talking about pure speed with squib loads at five yard targets. I'm talking about real world shots at real world ranges with full power loads.

    A good comparison might a Winchester 95 in 30.06 against a Springfield rifle at 200 yard targets. If the shooters were of equal skill, I think you'd find the results about equal also.
     
  25. CraigC
    • Contributing Member

    CraigC Sixgun Nut

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    20,440
    Location:
    West Tennessee
    Nor am I, obviously. For all the examples I gave were with hunting rifles shooting full power loads. The .405 in particular is 180° from your "squib loads at five yard targets". Given two shooters of equal skill level, or should I say, equal time spent building skill, the levergun will be quicker every time.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice