UK: Cracking Down on Deactivated Guns!

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Okay, the United Kingdom is now getting really serious in its drive to stop handgun violence! First it announced that it was going to register the guns -- not ban them, mind you -- just register them...like cars. Then once they registered them, they began banning the types most used by criminals. Then, little by little, they just...well...banned them.

Now they're getting really serious. They've decided to try to ban deactivated guns -- guns people pay hundreds of dollars for and just show them to their friends and collect them. The reason? Some people can, with considerable work, reactivate them so that they fire.

According to an article in the U.K. Telegraph, "The Home Office will outline five options designed to crack down on non-firing guns, which can be illegally adapted by black market armourers so that they can once again fire bullets. Police believe that use of re-activated guns is growing and that official statistics fail to show the full scale of the problem."

Statistics are great, aren't they?

It's sad that people have to pay as much as we do for guns that work, but now even they may be banned.

"The proposals will face strong opposition from legitimate collectors, some of whom have spent many thousands of pounds on their hobby, who say that changing the regulations will penalise the law-abiding but have no effect on criminals." My, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was quoted as saying, "Tackling gun crime is key to making people feel safer and more secure in their communities. We already have the tightest controls in Europe but there is more we can do to remove the threat of gun crime." There's always more government can do, can't it? In the United States the...ummm...states are trying to reassert themselves from federal domination, but there are a number of senators and congressmen who are trying to nullify state laws that let people carry guns. And these people are all for "common sense" measures like...well...registration of guns. What's wrong with that? We register cars, don't we?

Only I can't think of any countries that have subsequently banned cars, can you? But they're clear on one thing: they're not trying to take our guns away from us. That's nut talk. Just because the U.K. did it...and South Africa...and Rhodesi...er...Zimbabwe...and Canada...and Australia...and (well, you get the picture).

The sad thing is that now they're going after more "common sense" proposals, like banning deactivated guns. This once-free people are now spending big bucks, or pounds, buying cool guns that they can show their friends. They watch a movie like Dirty Harry and, afterwards, while tea is being served, George goes to the safe and a few moments later comes out with a beautifully preserved "deactivated" S&W Model 29 that he can pass around. And then, after everyone's looked at it, and oooohed and aaaahed over it, George proudly wipes it down with an oily rag and returns it to the safe. Only this time, Secretary Smith will be waiting to collect it...for the common good, mind you!

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This deactivated Walther PPK in "Good" condition
is going for £600.


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And this deactivated S&W 686 has a chromed hammer and
trigger, and no lock! It cost about a thousand U.S. $$$.


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S&W 28 - Highway Patrolman. Imagine. A real .357 magnum!

We Americans sometimes take our liberties for granted. And when we hear that the President of the NRA and Executive V.P. of the legislative part of the NRA both make "six-figure" salaries and spend our money like drunken sailors, we sometimes don't want to contribute. But like 'em or not, the NRA has made a huge difference when it comes to protecting those liberties.

It's sad that George's S&W 29 only goes "click" when he pulls the trigger, and it's sad that people elect corrupt morons like Secretary Smith. It's almost a surety that unless we educate our children and monitor what they're being taught, that our grandchildren may only have our deactivated guns when we're dead and buried.

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I think it's sad, pitiful and pathetic. I feel for those poor sad, pitiful Britians that spend big bucks just to hold and play with toy guns. Pathetic that they wont stand up to a little group of tyrannical, domineering English fops.
 
I expect a law in the UK to totally ban ALL ownership of firearms, including toys, replicas, muzzle loaders, deactivated guns, simulated guns, pictures of guns, museum guns, everything having to do with guns or ammunition. Several years ago, one MP said that "we must eliminate all thought of guns from the UK and all memory of them from the public consciousness." His law is on its way.

Along with that has been a ban on swords, and a proposal for rigid control of cutting utensils (e.g., only a licensed chef could possess certain kinds of knives, and only on the premises of a restaurant). One has to wonder where the "nanny state" insanity will end.

Jim
 
It ends in either a North Korea, or the Colonies, circa 1776. One or the other. Dear Leader or "We hold these truths to be self evident"....
 
I don't know which is more pathetic....

Spending over $600.00 for a pistol that will never work, or trying to ban that same non-working pistol.
 
That's so sad. All to think, they could easily just catch all the criminals with their fancy surveillance cameras.
 
It's no better in NY City than in the UK.

And I agree, how come they can't catch all those bad guys using "re-activated guns" with their fancy surveillance systems??
 
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was quoted as saying, "Tackling gun crime is key to making people feel safer and more secure in their communities.

Note that the goal is not to make people safer and more secure, but rather to make them FEEL safer and more secure. :scrutiny:
 
According to an article in the U.K. Telegraph, "The Home Office will outline five options designed to crack down on non-firing guns, which can be illegally adapted by black market armourers so that they can once again fire bullets. Police believe that use of re-activated guns is growing and that official statistics fail to show the full scale of the problem."

Statistics are great, aren't they?

Deceptive manipulation and spin-doctoring of statistics takes some cleverness, but disregarding them completely in plain sight, well, that takes absolute power and an exceptionally obedient population! Now, I'm all for the rule of law in a country with a government that represents the will of its people according to democratic principles, but once a certain level of tyranny has been reached, civil disobedience and even revolution are the duties that citizens have to themselves, their countrymen, and their children. Disarming an entire country is merely a prelude to more and deeper levels of oppression, as it removes the physical ability and will of the people to resist.
 
England has never been a very good democracy. They've always had the tradition of Kings and Autocratic rule and while the people get to vote on some things the government still makes rules regardless and despite public opinion against them.

A good example is the British Government has eliminated the death penalty despite the fact according to polls that most of their public support it.
 
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was quoted as saying, "Tackling gun crime is key to making people feel safer and more secure in their communities."

And...right...there defines the nannystatist's mindset. It's all about "feel" and has little to do with an actual state of being. As long as everybody feels safe...in their minds, they are safe.

"I think! Therefore, I am."

Me? I feel safe because I've got a loaded pistol close by. I am safe...well...because I've got a loaded pistol close by. At least, I'm safer than I would be if all I had to go on was a feeling and an average police response time of 10 minutes.

They've taken the "Great" out of Britain. Very sad.
 
They are already banning knives: “Bin a knife and save a life”

Down the road they will require people to file their canine teeth, to prevent dangerous bite wounds.

When everyone is safe from being gummed to death, the savages with pointy sticks will take over the UK.

In a country of toothless people, the man with a nail in a board is king.
 
Sometimes I find that the British are truly incomprehensible.

Deactivated guns are very popular in Europe, however, and there have been several stories about them and how people have "gun-handling" parties. Sort of their version of BBQ guns, no?
 
The lessons of both the first and second world wars must be a distant memory in England these days, which is sad, indeed. Think of the field day that a modern Hitler could have and the havoc that would result. It certainly puts the famous quote attributed to Japanese Admiral Yamamoto ("You cannot invade mainland United States; there would be a rifle behind each blade of grass") in a whole new light.

It's not just sad. It's foolish.
 
According to an article in the U.K. Telegraph, "The Home Office will outline five options designed to crack down on non-firing guns, which can be illegally adapted by black market armourers so that they can once again fire bullets."

Why are they even bothering to go this far to justify what they're doing? Isn't the fact that people could get pistol-whipped enough justification on its own? :rolleyes:

They are already banning knives: “Bin a knife and save a life”

Thank goodness I got rid of all of my knives. They were giving me a serious impulse to kill innocent people--must be a form of telepathy or mind control. :eek:

Down the road they will require people to file their canine teeth, to prevent dangerous bite wounds.

Civilized people don't need such weapons, particularly ones so primitive.

If you think about it, getting robbed is really a civic duty because so-called criminals are only doing the same kind of important social work as the government, namely the redistribution of wealth. And if we get killed by robbers, then it's simply a redistribution of the misery of their existence. After all, it's hardly fair that one person should have more wealth, possessions, or misery than another. This is the civilized, egalitarian way of things, and to believe otherwise is to place oneself on the same level as savage American cowboys with their barbaric vigilantism. They are like animals who fight back against predators while knowing full well that the predators need to eat, too. Ergo, they live in a dangerous state of nature that is the very antithesis of enlightened human civilization, and should be ostracized from the world community until they wise up and decide to join the rest of us. :rolleyes:

Is that too much of a straw man or is it a fairly accurate representation of the socialist mentality that I keep seeing everywhere lately? Of course, the politicians who promote such a philosophy are really only interested in absolute power, which socialism never fails to give them.

When everyone is safe from being gummed to death, the savages with pointy sticks will take over the UK.

In a country of toothless people, the man with a nail in a board is king.

It's like when Lisa Simpson wished on the monkey's paw for world peace, including the destruction of all weapons. I guess in such a scenario the world would ultimately be ruled by construction workers and their heavy equipment, unless lumberjacks can get them with their chainsaws first. ;)
 
The lessons of both the first and second world wars must be a distant memory in England these days, which is sad, indeed.

I agree, and it's because in the long run people never remember the lessons of history, only the pain of getting beaten down so severely (by each other and some of them by us), which seems to have neutered practically the entire European continent and the surrounding islands. Americans don't learn from history, either, and we beat each other down pretty badly in the Civil War, but we still love our guns--YEE-HAW! :D;)

Think of the field day that a modern Hitler could have and the havoc that would result.

For some reason I've always been predisposed to liking the British (aside from a couple of tiffs we had early on ;)), and I dearly want to believe that in such a scenario today they would rise to the occasion and respond as they did in World War II, but these days I'm not so sure. The same goes for the Australians, for that matter. What happened to them, and could it happen to us? :eek: No offense intended to folks from those countries who are members of this forum, of course--I'm only speaking in the broadest of terms.

Oh, and isn't the United States supposed to be the modern Nazi Germany? :rolleyes: It is if we believe what half the world seems to. :neener: Based on trends that I'm seeing, however, what I believe is that we were once the last hope of freedom and will be that again someday, if we can save ourselves from our own rulers, that is.

It certainly puts the famous quote attributed to Japanese Admiral Yamamoto ("You cannot invade mainland United States; there would be a rifle behind each blade of grass") in a whole new light.

It's not just the rifles, of course, but the mindset needed to defend one's life, country, and liberty. Even having a warrior ethic and nothing to lose is ultimately no match against truly free men who have everything to lose. I hope we never forget that the spirit of "independence" applies as much to the individual as it ever did between countries. People have to work together in a society, but each is able to accomplish things on their own rather than always waiting for somebody else to hand everything to them (or for police to come and rescue them, for example). It's something that I fear we're gradually losing, but there is still a lot of it left.
 
Next you ban lathes, drills and mills and investment casting equipment to preclude the possibility of anyone building a firearm from scratch. After that, you ban stainless and chrome alloy steels so even those with the now illegal metalworking equipment have no material to work with. Cast iron, nickel steel and zinc alloys are to follow. Next of course is brass and any wood denser than white pine. GO GREEN!!
 
You guys do know that article is a year old, and that the Labour Party are not in power any more?
Basically, some guys were 'reactivating' some 'old-spec' deacts for gang members, and this got some bad press for deacts as a whole.
 
Jacqui Smith like most politicians is clueless to whats going on around her in the real world, she didn't even notice that she had claimed the cost of her husbands internet porn on her parliamentary expenses.

Most of the de activated guns in the UK are used by re enactors. But I have to say, I was really gutted when I viewed a pristine KAR 98, with a huge machined gash along the barrel. I am all in favour of people owning whatever kind of gun they want, but if you are going to butcher a gun, make it a scrap piece of crap to start with not something that is perfect and collectable.
 
Shameful politicians finding a way to punish the law abiding and avoiding the real issue of dealing with the crackpots and criminals. If the government all of a sudden banned all gun here in the US, that might infuriate enough people to take the arms they had and re-institute our constitution. If they did that now in the UK, the incremental disarmament that they have already accomplished has effectively made it impossible for the people to now physically take the government back into their own hands. There are some folks on THR that will find these statements to be advocating criminal acts, while others will find such acts to be totally cosistent with the intent of the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
 
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