Deactivated Guns For Sale to Brits...Sad
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Levan9X19
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deactivation of guns should be clasified as a criminal act.
so many good collectible firearms are vandalized this way.
so sad.
so many good collectible firearms are vandalized this way.
so sad.
The deativated guns somtimes only have the barrel and bolt destroyed. If you bought deativated guns and put a new barrel and bolt in it might work. Then you could get it registered as a pre ban (if it is) automantic wepon. I dont know if that process is 
legal. But what would i know about legallity. 
legal. But what would i know about legallity. Cue the theme music for this thread...
While I lived in the U.K. as a study abroad student last year, I bought a deactivated SIG P226 for £550, basically just so I'd have something to play with that reminds me of home. It was a pretty old one (alloy frame, stamped slide), but I paid more for it than it would cost me to buy a new one here. You'd all REALLY cringe if you saw what was done to it to prevent it from firing.
I also handled some other deacts at the place where I bought it, including a Norinco AK that had the bolt welded to the receiver. However, IZH also sells non-firing AK weapons in the U.K. that are built from original AK parts but are designed to be non-firing, so they aren't subject to the post-1995 standards. Unfortunately, I think those, too, are now subject to laws concerning "realistic imitation firearms".
I also handled some other deacts at the place where I bought it, including a Norinco AK that had the bolt welded to the receiver. However, IZH also sells non-firing AK weapons in the U.K. that are built from original AK parts but are designed to be non-firing, so they aren't subject to the post-1995 standards. Unfortunately, I think those, too, are now subject to laws concerning "realistic imitation firearms".
evan price
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The deactivation process destroys the gun but maintains its appearance and "function". Basically, any part that bears the pressure of firing the round is damaged, weakened, cut away, or shaved off so that the gun cannot bear the pressure of firing, even with the barrel replaced. On semiautos for example you have to cut away most of the slide rails, leaving barely enough for the slide to move. The frame has to be weakened. The slide has to be weakened. Internal parts are welded shut, the chamber and barrel is hacked open across the bottom, and the breechblock is sliced.
What you get looks like a gun. If you replaced every non-cosmetic part in it it might fire a single round, but would probably then explode in the shooter's hands.
What you get looks like a gun. If you replaced every non-cosmetic part in it it might fire a single round, but would probably then explode in the shooter's hands.
theken206
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"They look like some things that will be used to get you shot by a real gun."
first thing I thought as well, what a great way to get yourself shot, a gun that doesnt work lol
first thing I thought as well, what a great way to get yourself shot, a gun that doesnt work lol
The barrel will have been welded to the frame, and the cylinders cut, if you fired a live round from a deac' cylinder, well i'd call it a grenade.
The barrel is welded to the frame, the chamber is plug welded, the barrel is sliced open & a 4-5 inch steel rod welded inside it, the bolt is cut & welded to the cocking handle, the reciever is ground down & drilled to weaken it. On post 1995 deacs' you cannot strip them down they have been welded shut( will not cock, trigger does not move etc.)
If you're comming back i've a car that i can drill the engine block, cut the con' rods, cut the axel halfshafts & plug weld the ignition key hole, still you can sit in it, push it along & play with it for a while, just pay me 3x what a running car would be worth:banghead:
Sir Aardvark
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There was a guy I read about nearly 10 years ago who would take handguns, permanently deactivate them, 24 karat Gold plate them, mount them on a plaque, and sell them in Japan for over $2,000.00 each.
He said that he couldn't make them fast enough.
As much as an abomination that this is, you gotta love Capitalism!
He said that he couldn't make them fast enough.
As much as an abomination that this is, you gotta love Capitalism!
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I wonder if that M16 just needs a new upper to get running again. Considering that it "cocks and dry fires" I'm assuming the trigger group is fine if not the entire lower.
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Bwaahahahaha.
Over $400 for a broken post war Mosin M44.
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/nagant_carbine_1955.htm
That is just too sad to be funny ,or the other way around. I can buy one right now in most gunstores for $100 or less.
Over $400 for a broken post war Mosin M44. http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/nagant_carbine_1955.htm
That is just too sad to be funny ,or the other way around. I can buy one right now in most gunstores for $100 or less.
Drgong
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OMG...Speachless on that....
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I was thinking more along the lines of Thom Yorke's "Black Swan."
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As a Brit, I'd like to say thanks for the sympathy expressed.
I'm a collector of anything to do with Sig-sauer, pistols and assault rifles, and have an interest in early 20th century automatics, all unfortunately de-activated. As you can imagine I baulk at what we have to pay to get a lump of metal that can't even fire blanks. Part of the cost is the deactivation itself - it varies from £70-100 ($120-180) - yup they charge a lot to screw things up! There is a similar situation in Europe but at least some of the countries there do allow (live) gun ownership while Switzerland, as you know, dishes an assault rifle out to each male citizen, all of which carry out national service.
At present it looks like de-activated weapons will be safe for the time being in the UK. Other than pistols and machine guns (with bipod), pre-1995 (Hungerford massacre) automatic weapons are the ones us collectors go for as they're the least damaged. Post-1995 are completely welded and utterly useful, only good for dummies who like pretending to be soldiers in their bedroom or as a wall display. Kalashnikov 47/AKM/74's are thus useless but nonetheless still sell for £200 ($350) while the ban has pushed the price of pre-1995 de-acts up to £600-800 ($1000-1500). The stupid thing about it is that I can pick up an illegal live Chinese AK47 for £100 ($180) - go figure.
However, the banning of toy guns has gone ahead which means that little joey, aged 5, can't play with his little cowboy cap gun in public without the possibility of having his head blown off by the Armed Response Unit.
It seems that our police force (in the main, as there are still a few good officers out there) can't tell the difference between a real gun and a toy. Fair enough in the dark but surely they'd notice the lack of bullets being fired! Anyway, it hasn't stopped them shooting innocent members of the public carrying a chair leg. Even running away from a police officer will get 7 bullets pumped into one's head nowadays.
To cap it all off, a law (I forget which one) was passed lately in Parliament stating that carrying an item deemed to be an offensive weapon in public is also illegal. This includes, for example, knives and billhooks, but would also include forks, spoons, keys, pencils, fist, knee, etc., if used as an offensive weapon. Bit of a bummer if you need to defend yourself against an assailant. With regard to the latter I'm sure acting in self-defence is covered but I suspect you'll still get prosecuted for turning an innocent item into a weapon. The law hasn't been tested but judging by the increase in "little Hitler's" within the UK's judicial system it would not surprise me if they made an example of someone.
The one over-riding travesty about the recent gun law changes is that it has stopped law-abiding UK citizens from owning guns for self-defence and sport. Indeed it has gone further by making illegal anything that even looks like a gun.
One thing has resulted from this and one thing hasn't.
The one thing that has resulted is that more people now have a growing fear of firearms through lack of information. Most stupid people demonise the unknown and firearms have become part of that. There is unlikely now to be any proper educational resource available for the use of guns outside the heavily restricted gun clubs. By the same degree the lack of firearms as an everyday tool has allowed for their glamorisation, particularly by film and television, resulting in gangs (invariably ethnic) and loony indiviudals taking them up (note that I exclude those few that genuinely need some form of weapon to defend themselves).
The one thing that hasn't happened is the decrease in gun crime. Indeed, it is at it's highest level on record in the UK. Hmmm, I wonder if the authorities will ever figure that banning guns that don't fire won't stop the use of illegal firearms that do fire!!
Oh, one final thing, if anyone has any Sig-sauers.....
Cheers.
I'm a collector of anything to do with Sig-sauer, pistols and assault rifles, and have an interest in early 20th century automatics, all unfortunately de-activated. As you can imagine I baulk at what we have to pay to get a lump of metal that can't even fire blanks. Part of the cost is the deactivation itself - it varies from £70-100 ($120-180) - yup they charge a lot to screw things up! There is a similar situation in Europe but at least some of the countries there do allow (live) gun ownership while Switzerland, as you know, dishes an assault rifle out to each male citizen, all of which carry out national service.
At present it looks like de-activated weapons will be safe for the time being in the UK. Other than pistols and machine guns (with bipod), pre-1995 (Hungerford massacre) automatic weapons are the ones us collectors go for as they're the least damaged. Post-1995 are completely welded and utterly useful, only good for dummies who like pretending to be soldiers in their bedroom or as a wall display. Kalashnikov 47/AKM/74's are thus useless but nonetheless still sell for £200 ($350) while the ban has pushed the price of pre-1995 de-acts up to £600-800 ($1000-1500). The stupid thing about it is that I can pick up an illegal live Chinese AK47 for £100 ($180) - go figure.
However, the banning of toy guns has gone ahead which means that little joey, aged 5, can't play with his little cowboy cap gun in public without the possibility of having his head blown off by the Armed Response Unit.
It seems that our police force (in the main, as there are still a few good officers out there) can't tell the difference between a real gun and a toy. Fair enough in the dark but surely they'd notice the lack of bullets being fired! Anyway, it hasn't stopped them shooting innocent members of the public carrying a chair leg. Even running away from a police officer will get 7 bullets pumped into one's head nowadays.
To cap it all off, a law (I forget which one) was passed lately in Parliament stating that carrying an item deemed to be an offensive weapon in public is also illegal. This includes, for example, knives and billhooks, but would also include forks, spoons, keys, pencils, fist, knee, etc., if used as an offensive weapon. Bit of a bummer if you need to defend yourself against an assailant. With regard to the latter I'm sure acting in self-defence is covered but I suspect you'll still get prosecuted for turning an innocent item into a weapon. The law hasn't been tested but judging by the increase in "little Hitler's" within the UK's judicial system it would not surprise me if they made an example of someone.
The one over-riding travesty about the recent gun law changes is that it has stopped law-abiding UK citizens from owning guns for self-defence and sport. Indeed it has gone further by making illegal anything that even looks like a gun.
One thing has resulted from this and one thing hasn't.
The one thing that has resulted is that more people now have a growing fear of firearms through lack of information. Most stupid people demonise the unknown and firearms have become part of that. There is unlikely now to be any proper educational resource available for the use of guns outside the heavily restricted gun clubs. By the same degree the lack of firearms as an everyday tool has allowed for their glamorisation, particularly by film and television, resulting in gangs (invariably ethnic) and loony indiviudals taking them up (note that I exclude those few that genuinely need some form of weapon to defend themselves).
The one thing that hasn't happened is the decrease in gun crime. Indeed, it is at it's highest level on record in the UK. Hmmm, I wonder if the authorities will ever figure that banning guns that don't fire won't stop the use of illegal firearms that do fire!!
Oh, one final thing, if anyone has any Sig-sauers.....
Cheers.
One thing that hurt the cause of the deacs here in the UK is a recent arrest of a guy who converted 90 blank-firing MAC-10 machine pistols to fire real cartridges. They claim that 50 of these have been traced, but 40 are still in the hands of various criminals. They further claim that 52 shootings have been traced to these converted guns, 9 of which are murders.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/27/ukguns.ukcrime?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews
You can say what you like about it, but the result will be the same: the local populace will be calling for the complete ban of anything that even looks like a gun, before long.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/27/ukguns.ukcrime?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews
You can say what you like about it, but the result will be the same: the local populace will be calling for the complete ban of anything that even looks like a gun, before long.
Several years a Brit I worked with in Africa had to turn in his handguns. He had a couple of S&W revolvers and asked if they could be donated to a museum. Nope, the frames had to be cut before they went to the furnace. Do not recall if he received any compensation. Tony Blair at his worst!
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Yup, but it woudn't surprise me if someone in UK government (future or present) legislated for their registration. I can see it happening.
emilianoksa
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As a Limey who has recently relocated to S. America, I can tell you that Britain is well on its way to becoming the first Orwellian State in western Europe.
I know Tony Blair has always been popular in the States due to his support for the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yet his government has done more to remove liberty in the UK than any previous regime. He is cordially detested by millions of British people.
He has proved that you can screw up a country in a very short time.
Many of the ministers in his government and Brown´s, started their political careers as far left student activists. The stench of neo-marxism is all over them.
The sad fact is that the fault for all this lies with the British people.
Sadly, my country has become nothing more than a warning to others of what happens if you do not exercise your democratic rights.
We aren´t even a country any more - just part of the EUSSR.
Sorry for the rant, but I couldn´t help myself.
I know Tony Blair has always been popular in the States due to his support for the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yet his government has done more to remove liberty in the UK than any previous regime. He is cordially detested by millions of British people.
He has proved that you can screw up a country in a very short time.
Many of the ministers in his government and Brown´s, started their political careers as far left student activists. The stench of neo-marxism is all over them.
The sad fact is that the fault for all this lies with the British people.
Sadly, my country has become nothing more than a warning to others of what happens if you do not exercise your democratic rights.
We aren´t even a country any more - just part of the EUSSR.
Sorry for the rant, but I couldn´t help myself.
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Reminds me of a qoute by someone whom I forget the name of - "in a democracy the people deserve the government they get" ...or words to that effect.
The problem is the three main political parties in the UK are all the same and have been for the last decade or two - lacking in intellect, consideration, foresight, decency, and they covet the same impracticable policies (including that on de-activated weapons just to keep this thread on track). We effectively no longer have a democracy (especially as successive governments introduce laws that were never in their manifesto).
...and it's a sobering thought to realise that the majority of people did not vote for the government they got.
Oh dear, I've just had a rant too (but you'll find every Brit will nowadays!!)
Anyway, back to de-acts...
... saw an Sturmgewher (Stg) 44 on sale for £3500 ($6000 - might be less by the time you read this judging by the way the pound is plummeting!) just to give you all a giggle.
emilianoksa
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I can understand that you don´t understand, because I don´t understand myself.
What has happened in the UK is not generally known in America, because we are a minor power with little political influence in the world.
However, since the cultural links between us are strong, we should be studied in the States as an object lesson in what happens when good men do nothing.
What has happened in the UK is not generally known in America, because we are a minor power with little political influence in the world.
However, since the cultural links between us are strong, we should be studied in the States as an object lesson in what happens when good men do nothing.
ArchAngelCD
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Very well said Sir. I totally agree with you...
This should be a wake up call for all of us in the USA. The fine people of Britain didn't think they would lose their gun rights so they sat on their hands. Then came Australia, they didn't think it was possible but they also lost their rights to own guns. BE AWARE, if you vote Democrat in the up coming election you run the risk of following our friends in Great Britain and Australia. Obama has already said he wants to bring back the Clinton gun bans and more. He wants to ban all handguns. YES, IT CAN HAPPEN HERE TOO!!!
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