.40 carry ammo

Powrball is not "specialty ammunition designed for a narrow range of performance conditions"

It is actually designed for the all manner of conditions.

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4-inches penetration after passing through automotive sheetmetal - see: http://www.thegunzone.com/powrball.html

Also: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26717:

9 mm Corbon 100 gr +P PowerBall 1555 f/s from G17
BG: pen=10.9”, RD=0.60”, RW=93.9gr
4LD: pen=11.4”, RD=0.58”, RW=97.5gr
The mighty 4.7” of pen after the auto windshield was not comforting…

.40 S&W Corbon 135 gr Powerball from S&W 4006
BG: vel=1362 f/s, pen=11.6”, RD=0.65”, RW=131.4gr
4LD: vel=1359 f/s, pen=12.1”, RD=0.65”, RW=131.9gr
auto windshield: vel=1365 f/s, pen=7.9”, RD=0.61”, RW=103.6gr

.45 ACP Corbon 165 gr +P Powerball from 1911
BG: vel=1230 f/s, pen=12.1”, RD=0.70”, RW=158.8gr
4LD: vel=1267 f/s, pen=11.8”, RD=0.66”, RW=159.7gr
auto windshield: vel=1251 f/s, pen=5.5”, RD=0.73”, RW=143.5gr

The frequent core-jacket separations and rounded leading edges of the PB
loads are a concern, as is their poor terminal performance after intermediate
barrier penetration. We were frankly unimpressed with these loads. If you
have to use Corbon handgun loads, stick with their DPX loadings of the
superb Barnes XPB all copper bullets.

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180 grain Federal HST

180 grain PDX1 & 180 grain Federal HST (I like the heavier stuff obviously) out of my Glock 27.

And I have a question for people who use Federal HST... Have any of you experienced any feeding problems with them (because of the wide hollow cavity)? To this day I haven't but one of the above posts kinda made the question pop into my head.... anyone?

4-inches penetration after passing through automotive sheetmetal - see: http://www.thegunzone.com/powrball.html

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In other tests it does 12" through almost all tactical barriers...but in 9mm.

dieselmech said:

i took this off a diferent site. So to give the guy credit This is from Mas Ayoob. I sure you all know who he is.


I'm partial to rounds with substantial street track records. In the Cor-Bon line, my .40 S&W load of choice would be the 135 grain JHP at 1300 foot-seconds. It tends to deliver a wound track about ten inches deep, but extremely wide, and has proven to be excellent as a "manstopper." Most armed citizen confrontations tend to be "up close and personal" without intervening cover, and this sort of performance is well suited to that kind of situation.

Best,
Mas

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Something to understand about Mas Ayoob -

I remember when he first published an article in Shooting Times and Guns & Ammo. Most of the regular writers were westerners or country boys, and he was sort of the token city boy. I felt for him, as he was a puppy at the feet of men like Skeeter Skelton, Bill Jordan, and Jeff Cooper. Heck, Elmer Keith still was a contributor. I have a couple of Mas' books, and agree with a lot of what he says. And, he certainly has a lot more "street cred" than I do, as I've never been a LEO.

But ... it became pretty obvious early on that, like Chuck Adams in the bowhunting world, he had to somehow leave his mark - the "Ayoob Wedge", e.g., which was basically the way most of us were shooting with some small cosmetic changes so he could call it his own. The heart of what he writes is, I believe, true; but on details he's largely marking his territory. I give him the benefit of the doubt as around here there aren't any fire hydrants to pee on, but I do recognize why he promotes some of these ideas.

Ayoob is a writer first and formost, at least in the view most of us get of him, and he has to leave this mark on the things he writes. Considering that he is as much or more salesman than "gunny", I'd make my own mind up about the .40 round I thought best.

Now, I'm gonna get hate mail. That's OK, I guess. Now get off my lawn you whippersnappers!

Hornady 180gr XTP for me when I carry my M&P 40

Based on the photograph, it appears the tests were conducted by Tom Burczynski. If you don't recognize the name

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I carry ammo loaded with projectiles he designed. I have been for a loooong time. I am not a young buck new to the game.

So how about them obvious claims that are down right false? If they get one fact wrong how can anything they say be believed after that? I do not care who took the pic at that point. The info is false. I can and will believe it is all false.

If a credible site can be given that confirms what you say then we are all good. Until then I will not believe what that site says. Nothing more or less..

I'm partial to Federal ammo but for carry I prefer their Hydra-shok loads or Hornady's TAP PD. I like the 155g or 165g loads.

Federal Hydrashocks

165-grain Speer Gold Dots.

When I used the 40 on cull hunts my favorite load, and best terminal load I used was 165 grain Winchester SXTs that are no longer made. Winchester should have kept this projectile. It plain worked!. Right behind that was the 165 Goldensaber. Both are awesome rounds in the 40 caliber......

You gotta watch out with the 165 gold dots!! there are two loads. A full power and a low power. The low power ones never expand..

You gotta watch out with the 165 gold dots!! there are two loads. A full power and a low power. The low power ones never expand..

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can you give part numbers of the two loads?

valorius, in the 80s, 180 gr JHP 40S&W was more commonly used and more data collected. I believe since the 90s, more 155/165 gr JHP 40S&W shooting data have been collected, with some better results.

180 gr JHP undoubtedly is a capable round, but 155/165 gr JHP may edge it out in many applications.

I have just removed a large number of post from this thread because a few people couldn't resist discussing the windshield penetration characteristics of 5.56mm rounds and other assorted topics despite this being a thread about .40 caliber carry ammo.

If you want to argue about which ballistic church is better than the other, go start another thread.

can you give part numbers of the two loads?

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Sure can

The link was not working right.

Here are the part numbers.

The low power load is
53949

The high powered one is
53970

165gr Federal HST

Feeds and fires perfectly in my CZ P-06 and has great expansion/penetration as others have stated. And its far less expensive than many others.

I don't always carry a .40, but when I do, I choose Federal HST 180gr JHP.

(I don't carry it much because I prefer my 1911s)

ccsniper, 40S&W was developed and introduced using 180 gr bullets in the late 1980s. 155/165 gr 40S&W bullets followed in the 1990s.

The .40 S&W debuted in January 1990.

California Highway Patrol was the first large law enforcement agency to adopt .40 S&W. CHP has always used 180gr JHP ammunition in its 4006 pistols and has been satisfied with its performance.

180gr .40 S&W has virtually the same sectional density (.161) as .45 ACP 230gr (.162).

bds said:

ccsniper, 40S&W was developed and introduced using 180 gr bullets in the late 1980s. 155/165 gr 40S&W bullets followed in the 1990s.

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Supporting documents would help. I reme
mber when it came out in 1990..

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For HD/SD JHP's I use only Winchester Ranger T-series 180gr - biggest punch, with consistent accuracy, at close HD/SD ranges..

For target practice I really like the 165gr FMJ over 180gr just because it is more accurate - consistent at the longer ranges i.e 35ft out..

This for either my Sig P229/40's or my Beretta Px4 40..

OMMV,


Ls

180gr HST

165gr Bonded Golden Saber

bds:
40S&W was developed and introduced using 180 gr bullets in the late 1980s. 155/165 gr 40S&W bullets followed in the 1990s.

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Boris bush:
Supporting documents would help. I remember when it came out in 1990.

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Yes, the commercial 180 gr round was released in January of 1990, but the development of the round from 10mm by FBI/Winchester took place in late 1980s with introduction of the finished round at 1989 SHOT show. Use of 155/165 gr rounds became more popular in 1990s.

When it was unveiled at the 1989 SHOT Show, the .40 S&W generated interest far beyond all expectations. Winchester had ammo ready to ship, but it was roughly six months before S&W had guns.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S&W
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_9_51/ai_n14816182/