Buyers beware!

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So we stopped by the local gun show yesterday and I have to say, I was kinda disappointed. In fact I contemplated asking for my $5 admission fee back. Not much in the way of variety--mostly either ARs or wood stocked bolt actions. Most of the ARs were lower end rifles at high end prices, and none of the bolt actions really appeared that noteworthy to me. And some of the stuff I saw there was just sketch.

Saw an SKS with what I thought to be a rather ornate display around it, and a sign describing it as a "Rare Russian SKS Carbine with 16 inch barrel." It went on to say it booked for over $1700 but I could have it for just $700! Of course, things immediately caught my eye; it didn't have the dark, richer wood I see on most Russians, including the 1954 Izhevsk I stupidly pawned back in college, nor did it have a bayonet. It looked rather dinged up, actually, and most immediately struck me as looking very similar in appearance, condition, and quality to the Norinco carbine my brother bought from a local FFL for like $200.

Sure enough, I ignore the sign asking not to handle it and check out the arsenal markings on the left side of the receiver. They were clearly Chinese! Dude was all sorts of scowling at me as I busted out laughing and pointed out as loudly as possible to my brother two tables away that it wasn't even Russian. The man at the table's demeanor suggested to me that he was aware and still trying to pass it off to whatever sucker would take it, but regardless, it still impressed on me the importance of being alert and doing your homework before attending these events.

Buyers beware! There's some shady characters out there.
 
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a shame to see the modern gun show culture these days. I always loved going to gun shows when I was younger... I used to find good deals, neat stuff, and honest vendors. Maybe I was just lucky?

Anyway, I haven't been impressed with gunshows in recent years, and haven't been to one in quite a while. These events used to be a great way for shooters to get together and talk/see/touch/buy/sell guns, but anymore I think they better serve the purpose of feeding bad information and overpriced products to unsuspecting and uninformed consumers.

Just my $0.02, and I sincerely hope that the gunshows are better in some parts of the country!
 
I agree, gun shows are going down hill. Here in the tidewater Va / NE Carolina The decline has been drastic. Used to be able to get good stuff at an honest price, no more.

Since I retired I work P/T in a gun store and my boss stopped participating in shows about 3 years ago.

I still go to a few but it is mostly social to see old friends, ogle pretty women, and make fun of camo guy, ninja boy, and the tactical vest, thigh holster, wheelbarrow crowd.

The most fun is at the knife tables when some carnival reject is trying to sell $12.00 offshore 440 A tactical A/O folders. I show a lot of interest then show him my home made knives in 1095 0r s30v. Then just walk away.

Good times.
 
The deals are gone, and so are the crowds. The one thing good about them is if you do your homework, and are able to find the item, it's cash and carry.
 
I'd way that gun show quality is only an area phenomenon, because here in Pa. we have excellent gun shows with a huge variety of guns, and I've bought many at 1/2 to 3/4 price there. Most vendors are pleasant and mannerly to deal with.
 
Was at a show this weekend in No. VA. On the plus side, vendors were generally friendly and professional, with one or two major exceptions. A fair amount of ammo. On the negative side, $12 entry fee, and not many deals on firearms, at least from what I saw.
 
Having been to gun shows on both sides of the tables since the '70's, I've seen some changes.

"Sure enough, I ignore the sign asking not to handle it and check out the arsenal markings on the left side of the receiver. They were clearly Chinese! Dude was all sorts of scowling at me as I busted out laughing and pointed out as loudly as possible to my brother two tables away that it wasn't even Russian."

And I've seen this seen repeated over and over. What I don't see is any difference in the two parties. That has not changed at all.
 
Tirod - seems like he had good reason to suspect the rifle was being grossly misrepresented. Is it wrong to call someone out on a blatant fraud?

Not quite endorsing his actions, but he certainly isn't the worse of the two parties involved.
 
I was practically raised at gun shows! My dad used to hand me whatever pistol he was taking to the show to sell or trade and let me walk around the shows with him. Nine times out of ten, more people would ask me about the gun I was toting around than they would if he was holding it, so I was his primary "gun handler" at the ripe old age of 9.

Have gun shows changed - of course they have. I see gun shows almost dominated with AR's and Glock's, but there are deals out there if you know what you are looking at and know how to be polite and talk to people. Sometimes the best deals aren't even on the table at that particular show, but can be obtained if everyone acts respectful.

Do people overprice and lie - yes, they do, but they also do that at garage sales, livestock shows, and anywhere else these days.

One problem I have with the OP is that he completely ignored the sign asking that the rifle in question not be handled and he picked it up anyway without asking first. If that had been my gun, I would have loudly asked him to put it down immediately. It doesn't matter whether he lied about what it was at that point. If it says "Don't Touch" then you should keeps your paws off of it until given the go-ahead by the owner.
 
no mas

Last gun show I went to was over two years ago. Not sure if I'll ever attend another. Way too much overpriced below average offerings. Way too much homemade plastic/wire "jewelry", velvet Elvis paintings, and artsy-craftsy stuff. Admission price was ridiculous. Crowd was way too big.

No fun, no interest. I think I'm done with that.

The rest of ya will have to keep them going. Enjoy. :)
 
Is it possible the shows have not changed all that much, but the customers have? With the advent of internet forums and online dealers with huge selection and no overhead undercutting the local gun shops and offering great prices it has certainly skewed my perception of gun shows. They used to be places of huge selection and lower prices, and they still are, compared to the small gun shops, but compared to buds or gunbroker? not so much. And now we have instant access to realtime prices (ish) it makes it easier to spot a fraud or bad deal. so we have smarter customers, yay!

now, on the minus side, somewhere along the way, and I don't know where or how, people started thinking that used guns should cost as much or more than new guns, and some are willing to pay it, so the mindset stays in place.

there went the good deals on used guns. Now, instead of guys going to guns shows with lots of guns to sell and going home with cash, they go to gun shows with guns to sell at high prices and take home the same guns unsold, while the smart shoppers go home with their money unspent and the wife buys a couch with it.
 
Makes me wonder if the beef jerkey is still beef! And the lawn art correctly crafted! :uhoh:
 
They are a fun way to kill a day, $10 or whatever the entry fee is and walk around for a few hours, than grab a couple of beers and head home. I like old milsurps so I'm always cruising for a deal, once in awhile you come across something interesting. As for the morons life's to short I just walk away.

I find they are a good place to buy slings so I don't have to pay shipping.
 
Spent 3.5 hrs at the last one I went to waiting on a background check, but the show was huge and the food palitable.
 
First I find the best price on the internet, print it out, and take it to the show. After shipping and trasnfer costs, I try the dealer out at the show to see if he can beat my total cost. Last show, I got a deal that saved me $20 off the absolute lowest internet price.
 
I'm not going to apologize for calling the guy's bluff, and if you're looking for sympathy over ignoring the 'do not handle' sign, you'll find none here. If people want their needs or requests to be respected, it seems they should give a little respect to that of others as well. Trying to pawn a $200 rifle off for $700 doesn't strike me as a good way to encourage others to respect you.

If you had been there on the other side of the table and told me to put it down as loudly as possible, I would have told you to kiss my rear as loudly as possible, then probably just dropped the rifle onto the table from chest height and flipped you off. At that point, I'd seen enough and was on my way out anyways, so being evicted from the whole sham circus was of no consequence to me. But the bigger deal you made out of it, the bigger the deal I would have made out of it. And I guarantee that between my brother and I, we could have drowned you out and embarrassed you in the time allotted before we were told to leave. Everybody in the building would have known and you'd be lucky to get $70 for your beat up Chinese SKS.
 
i don't think we're looking for sympathy.

we're looking for courtesy and a polite society and respect for property, which you clearly were not displaying in your account of the events.

threatening boorish behavior and a shouting match is also appreciably shy of 'high-road'.
 
I paid to get into their "polite society" and feel like I had a right to expect at least a little for my money. I may not have paid very much, but I wasn't expecting very much either, and I was still disappointed. In the end I may not have been very polite or courteous, but that place was never a "polite society," never displayed respect for the property I used to get in (couldn't even give me $5 worth of entertainment), and most certainly were never very courteous. I had a very nice SIG I brought to the show in case I saw something worth making a move on. It stayed in the car and not a single thing on all those tables seemed worth making an offer for. The bubba with the $700 Chinese SKS was just the last straw.

I'm a big fan of the Golden Rule. It's such a simple concept to me. If this guy wanted some respect shown to himself and his property, maybe he should have at least had enough respect for others to not attempt to scam them out of their hard earned property. But hiding behind the courtesy of others with a 'do not handle' sign strikes me as akin to hiding behind a dress because you know a dude won't hit a women, and I have very little tolerance for that.

As it was, the dude didn't make much of a scene, and neither did we. He tried to get a little amusement at our behalf, we called him on it and had our fun at his behalf, and left. Strikes me as more than fair.
 
MTM said:

The man at the table's demeanor suggested to me that he was aware and still trying to pass it off to whatever sucker would take it

I hear what you sayin', but to be fair maybe the fella just had a case o' the vapors?! I'm just sayin'. :D

Okay, seriously...I seldom am. We have all had gun show experiences. The fella may truly have not known what it was. It lies within the realm of possibility.

Geno
 
I ignore the sign asking not to handle it

Why didn't you simply ask to see it instead of ignoring his sign?

It doesn't matter whether the guy had a rare collectible or he had a piece of junk he was trying to sell as a treasure, it would have been no trouble for you to get permission and then look at the rifle. Not doing that and then bragging about it here isn't high road behavior.

I've seen many "trash treated as treasure" firearms at shows and I always ask to handle them before getting a better look. Sometimes I find that I'm looking at an atypical version of what I'm familiar with and at others I'm handling something the owner completely doesn't know anything about. At times I find it's a clunker that some jerk is trying to palm off on an unsuspecting public. When that's the case I suggest the information be changed to match the facts and then have a talk with the promoter if they aren't.
 
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I don't understand why it's so difficult to ask before picking the gun up to examine it. Even if the gun wasn't what you expected it to be, you could have looked at it, put it back down and walked away. It doesn't cost anything to be polite.
 
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