Sheriff Perry Quahliero disseminating false information

Speaking of PA Cops who make up their own rules....

Thanks a bunch for sending Mike Chitwood to Maine for a bunch of years. We have open Carry here in Maine but, if you went into Portland carrying openly, you would be arrested and your gun would be confiscated. If you were pulled over for any reason and the officer found you carrying with a CCW, they were under orders to confiscate your gun. Try getting the gun back. I was advised by one of the best attorneys around, were this to happen to me, I would be better off just buying a new gun. It would cost more in lawyers fees than it was worth. Apparently, he would go to the mat on this every time. I am glad he is gone.

8 states is not most. TX, OK, AR, IL, FL, SC, NY and DC are the only 8 states (and DC isn't even a state!) for which your statement is true.

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Actually, NY allows bar carry. NY actual has very few restrictions if you live in a county that gives you an unrestricted license.

Buddy replies "heck no he shouldn't carry a gun, he is a real clown!"

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but if your buddy says "I didn't know he was out of re-hab already" I suspect you'll find it may bear on the approval process.

I have no problem with the reference requirement...

there are actually people out there who can't find a single person to stand up and say "he's an o.k. guy"..... and if they can't get anyone on the planet to speak well of them, there's probably a pretty good reason, which will wiggle it's way up to the light of day once someone starts pulling ths string.

there are actually people out there who can't find a single person to stand up and say "he's an o.k. guy"..... and if they can't get anyone on the planet to speak well of them, there's probably a pretty good reason, which will wiggle it's way up to the light of day once someone starts pulling ths string.

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Since when did not having any vocal friends, or acquaintances become a legitimate reason to deny a person a right??

You can be the biggest <jerk> in the entire world, but if there is zero legal justification/reason you should not carry, then you should not be denied the permit.

Too many LEO's want to make it a popularity contest, or a "who you know" type of thing, that is a travesty of justice.

Base it on what a unlawful actions a person has been convicted of in the past, not what they may or may not, in your opinion, do in the future.

We should not have to prove we are innocent and law abiding, it should be assumed until proved otherwise.

Since when did not having any vocal friends, or acquaintances become a legitimate reason to deny a person a right??

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I absolutely agree. I am military and I move every three years. I am also not very social outside of working hours. For my top secret clearance I had to come up with references that knew me at each of the places I have lived in the past 15 years. That was extremely hard to do since most of my friends were military and they moved on and I moved on.

The only reference that should be required to carry a gun is the fact that the government or a jury feels you are safe enough to walk the public streets. I don't think that, constitutionally, even persons with criminal records should be denied firearms rights. The government says you are safe enough to walk the street, that should be enough. Only those people actually incarcerated should have their firearms rights denied. IMHO.

The government says you are safe enough to walk the street, that should be enough. Only those people actually incarcerated should have their firearms rights denied. IMHO

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Rarely do I disagree with you Navy but on that one I have to STRONGLY disagree with. People with violent histories that have already PROVEN that they can not control themselves should not be allowed gun ownership. At least not handgun. Granted there are folks who hunt with handguns (me being one of them) but 95% or more of the handguns out there were bought for defense purposes and I am sorry but violent history felons to me are the LAST people I want to have handguns. As far as the rest, have at it. Innocent until proven guilty.

ZeBool, I skimmed and haven't seen it mentioned yet, but this link is something you may wish to download and print out for your trip to the Sheriff's office. It is the 2009 MPOETC (Municipal Police Officers’ Education & Training Commission) update. I'm sure they have one for 2010, but this one specifically advises on the Uniform Firearms Act in chapter 9, starting at page 45.

http://www.lildobe.net/PAFOA_Docs/MPOTEC_LEGAL_UPDATE_2009-201.pdf

Although it does not address all the issues in your OP, it does cover some, as well as the notion that he really ought to know better.

I believe the misinformation campaign is common throughout PA. I get the same basic stuff from the York County Sheriff, even though our guy is really pretty good about 2A issues and the LTCF. The higher you get in the chain of command, the more political they guys get, and it almost always seems to work against us.

Good on you for following up, and good luck.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL said:

People with violent histories that have already PROVEN that they can not control themselves should not be allowed gun ownership.

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IMHO, a law prohibiting a person from possessing or obtaining a firearm is only going to stop the person who is willing to abide by that law from obtaining one. And if the person is willing to abide by the law which prohibits them from obtaining a firearm, than why would they not be willing to abide by the law that prohibits them from unlawfully using the firearm?

Aren't knives used to kill people by criminals or commit robberies/muggings with? Is it OK for a felon to walk into Wal Mart and buy a complete set of knives without any background check or any prohibitions?

Only those people actually incarcerated should have their firearms rights denied. IMHO.

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Might change a few things for the good if those people were mandated to have handguns.




Sorry Sam, no more hijacking.................