I need a good quality cheep over & under

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there are lots of pretty decent pretty cheap shotguns out there. Lanber are ok, i have had them, Zoli are ok, fabarm ok. i am not sure how prices are there but a 2nd hand beretta, browning, winchester or miroku might be worth a look. having a gun that fits the lad is probably most important. a few sessions in the gunshop handling various guns then a session at the local clay ground with it would also be a good investment in time.
 
Lanber, hands down the best of the 'cheap' new O/U. Stoeger, Yildiz, Huglu etc you take your chances.
 
go to academy get a yildiz there $399 i have one and there are guys over on shotgunworld that have put thousands of shells through theres with zero problems. i had a stoeger uplander and it was a POS i had nothing but problems
 
I think that is a nice gesture you are proposing.
I really think a used o/u shotgun of good reliable make is better than a new one.
Try and find a used SKB o/u or Browning Citori, both built like a tank and will last for years.
I have a cheap Turkish made semi-auto I bought for a junior shooter, it gave problems, I got them fixed, I know it will give more problems so I don't want to sell it to unload it on anyone. You get what you pay for in this world.
Mike
 
Verona

I have a Verona LX502. I think I paid like 599 from Dick's about 7 years ago. It really is a wonderful o/u.

I highly recommend them, but am not sure they're still made.
 
thanks guys for all the help. I am researching all these prospects you all have given me. I will look at all of them that are available around here.

I found a used H&K 12 GA. yesterday at a local gun shop for $600 i was hoping to get him a 20 GA. because that's what i shoot most of the time and im always bulked up on wads. what's your opinions on that deal? I have never been around them.

we do have an academy store close so I will head over there and look into those guns you guys have suggested from them.

I have a friend of my Dads that has his ffl looking, you never know what that guy will come up with he's one of those wheeling and dealing type guy :)

I took him on a southwest kansas hunt this weekend we had a lot of fun. I am glad to see him getting into the dog work. we had a lot of good dog work this week, he has got to watch one of my pups turn from a pup into a salty dog. I am going to give him a puppy out of my next litter, so he can start learning that part of bird hunting.

thanks again guys for all the help. im going to try to get this shotgun this week. I am taking him on a quail hunt. this weekend and I would like to have it for him by then. OBTW I have looked for a used browning but the cheapest I have found was $1000 and I just can't swing that.
 
I have two Baikals (Remington Spartans) they are great. They are very reasonably priced for consumers. I would recommend that you go with the Baikals, great value and reliable.
 
Again, not O/U but my wife and I recently bought Browning BPS pumps for informal trap shooting and general shotgun duties. I have other shotguns but the way these guns pattern is very impressive. The barrels are back bored and well finished. The pattern is center weighted and very even. I have tried several brands of shells from high quality target loads to Walmart Federal bulk pack ammo and they are not ammo sensitive.

Anyway, they are very well made guns.
 
It kills me how expensive O/U and SxS guns can be. You'd think the simplest type of shotgun would cost the least.

Anyway, I work at an Academy. The husband of one of the ladies in front end bought a Yildiz a while back, and he's pretty happy with it. They're pretty tight at first but reportedly smooth out after a while. The Turks have been making guns for a while.
 
It kills me how expensive O/U and SxS guns can be. You'd think the simplest type of shotgun would cost the least.
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They also require the most handwork to get done properly - labor costs drive up the price of the good ones into the multi-thousand dollar range.

The Turks have been making guns for a while.
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And they are trying to get better, but they are not quite there yet
 
I too have been thinking about an over/under (in 20 gauge) because I've been doing some quail hunting lately. I was thinking about maybe a Citori but really didn't want to put out that much money for something I won't use more than 3 or 4 times a year. I mostly deer hunt.
I've heard of the Yildez and since I used to live in Turkey (and know that they can produce some fine products) I think I'll head over to Academy and take a look.
When I was over there, a guy I know had brought an old SxS from the states with him. The wood was shot. He took it down to a Turkish craftsman and the new stock he put on was top notch. Back then (70's) I think it cost him $30.
 
I just picked up a Maverick Arms Hunter 12 ga O/U for 390 at a gun show...but beware, it doesn't use Mossberg choke tube although it's imported by Mossberg. I'm trying to figure out which ones I need, but will have to wait 'til Monday to call them. Sturdy looking gun, tho.
 
Cheap but accurate shotgun

Look at the Remington shotgun made in Russia. About $400 new. My brother has one and it shoots very well. Great Deal.
 
LANBER. Buy one of the 2087 blems from CDNN. Great place to deal with and a solid gun for the money. As for the blemishes: I have one and can only guess at what they are since nothing is overly noticeable. There are plenty of testimonials at Shotgunworld.com about them in the "I love my" section of the forum.
 
One of the biggest reasons most double barreled shotguns/rifles are so expensive is the painstaking work involved in regulating both barrels to shoot at the same point of aim. In order to do this most factories but an adjustable wedge contraption around the barrel muzzles and wrap wire around both barrels. They then have to fire numerous rounds and make adjustments accordingly. Once they get everything set right they then have to put silver solder in between the barrels.
 
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