Ruger 10/22 "Build" Thread

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My intention for posting this is for any new folks out there who might be having trouble dialing in a new rifle. I'm not new to shooting, but I am new to benchrest/target shooting, and I figured I'd share a few things I've learned with my new Ruger. I'll keep adding to this thread as I make more progress.

So I put together a new Ruger 10/22 this winter, and I've just be itching to get out to the range with it. The local range doesn't plow out the road, so its either wade through 2' of snow, or try to drive through it. We finally had some warm weather and enough snow burned off that I could walk in. Here is a picture of the Ruger, along with my Remington. I liked my setup so much with the Remmy, I decided to copy it with the Ruger. I installed a 16.5" Tactical Innovations bull barrel, a Hogue Overmold stock, DNZ rings, and a Mueller APV 4.5-14 scope. This will be a dual purpose target rifle, and small varmint rifle.

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So my first trip in was not a very good one. After I got her "sighted in" at 50 yards, I had a hell of a time getting any sort of decent group. I was using bulk pack Federal hollow points for the cardboard below. I've never had a problem with the cheap stuff in my old Ruger, but most of my shooting with that was at clay pigeons and beer cans. The new one doesn't like it at all, and groups like the ones below are not what I was looking for when I started this rifle. I shot 10-20 rounds at each circle, and to be quite honest, any groups I managed to get were really out of pure luck.

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Yeah, that is ugly. I probably would have had better luck using a slingshot.

I figured I had two issues to deal with. The first being ammo. So I picked up three different kinds from three different manufacturers. The second issue I had was the trigger. That thing was gritty and heavy, and I knew it had to be affecting my groups. So with the help of the THR, I found this video:

http://www.greatwestgunsmithing.com/1022 trigger job high.html

Last night I took apart the trigger and did some work. This morning I headed back out to the range with a significantly better trigger and my new ammo, and this is what I got.

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I shot 20 rounds at a separate target to zero in the scope for each brand, and then threw 10 rounds at each circle. You can imagine that I was a little worried after my first set with the Winchester 40 grain Super Speed RN - things were still looking ugly. Then I loaded in the CCI 36 grain Mini-Mag HP. What a difference! I could tell when I was zeroing in the scope that things were looking up. The next brand was Remington 40 grain Target RN. I had just about as much luck with these as I did with the CCI.

You'll notice I only did 4 sets with the Remington, as many of you know, time flies down at the range and I realized I was late for a prior engagement, so I had to pack things up. I planned on doing another set with the Federal bulk ammuntion as a control group for my progress with the trigger, but that will have to wait for another day.

Even with the new ammuntion, the groups aren't as nice as I'd like to see. I have three issues that could be contributing to that. One, there was a 15-25 mph crosswind that was kicking up and down during my session. Two, the trigger still needs some more work - while it is a night and day difference from before, it is still a lot heavier than my Remington, which is set at 2.5lbs of pull. I was also very conservative when stoning it last night because it was the first time I've ever done a tigger job. The final factor is me. I've only got about 500 rounds through her, compared to the thousands I've put through my old Ruger - I just really need to just spend more time with the rifle.

I'll dig back into the trigger tonight and do a little more work, and hopefully the weather holds out so I can do some more testing tomorrow.
 
I love Ruger 10/22's for what they are. However, your thread is a prime example of why I don't want one for a target rifle. You can throw a pile of $$ at one and still not have it perform as well as some other out of the box bolt guns, especially the CZ's.

My brother started benchrest shooting a few years ago. I did everything you could imagine to a 10/22. If it was the only gun on the range, it sure looked like a great shooter. However, when the serious guys came out with their bolt guns his 10/22 couldn't hold a candle...He now shoots a CZ...As far as ammo goes, he and alot of the guys he shoots with uses Wolf Match Target. When he told me he used Wolf, I thought he was kidding. Judging from the price of it, though, it must be some good stuff.

Of course take all I said with a grain of salt. Somebody is gonna come on here and tell you about their tack driving 10/22....At any rate, good luck with your project.
 
This one does about a 1/2" at 50 yards, little better with Wolf.

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X-Ring Receiver & Barrel
Volquartsen Trigger
Raptor Stock
 
There are several sites where you can see real .250 at 50yds 10-22s. Granted, about all there is that is still Ruger is the action.........
 
Heck, you don't even have to use the Ruger receiver. There are at least a couple of companies that sell an alledged improved receiver. I'd guess you can build a complete 10/22 and not use a single Ruger part.
 
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Heck, you don't even have to use the Ruger receiver. There are at least a couple of companies that sell an alledged improved receiver. I'd guess you can build a complete 10/22 and not use a single Ruger part.


That's exactly what I posted earlier, only thing Ruger on it is the magazine
 
I love Ruger 10/22's for what they are. However, your thread is a prime example of why I don't want one for a target rifle. You can throw a pile of $$ at one and still not have it perform as well as some other out of the box bolt guns, especially the CZ's...

I totally agree with you, a bolt gun will do better than an autoloader 9 times out of 10, and I damn near bought a CZ 452 Varmint instead. But I also have a bit of a competiton going on with my Dad on who can get a better shooting Ruger. I pissed him off a little when I put 8 out of 10 rounds through a chew can lid at 100 yards with my old rifle, because now he has built one up that will put that feat to shame. I'm not trying, or expecting, to get 5 shots through a dime, but I would like to get her down to a 1" group at 50 yards, which I believe is completely within the realm of a modestly built Ruger.
 
I want to buy one, one day, but I will put a folding butt stock on it like an AK. I think it will look bad ass.
 
I also just put a 10/22 together. Green Mountain barrel and Houge stock, already had some trigger work done. I also had some ugly groups at first but after some advise from the fine people at Rimfire Central(can I say that here?) I tried the bulk Federal Auto Match from Walmart. The 325 pack, not the 550.
Did this today at 50 yards. 5 shots.
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I'm still trying different ammo, but that's not bad for me.
Good Luck
Frank
 
That's a very nice group Frank! Just got done working with the trigger again... let's just say I'm getting pretty excited now.
 
Here's mine:

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It shoots very well with CCI Velocitors [couple of inches at 100 yrds]. . . . .imagine how much better it would shoot with Wolf Target!
 
I had similar problems when I installed a Green Mountain bull barrel, and they turned out to be bedding related. I found a piece of aluminum tubing to use as a pillar for the action screw, and I bedded the first 1" of the barrel with the rest being free floated. The rear of the receiver was also bedded, as well as the trigger assembly. That last piece is critical - the 10/22 has no rear action screw, it's held in at the rear by the trigger assembly being wedged into the stock. A tight fit is needed for accuracy.

Once I had the receiver nice and tightly bedded it went from having groups at 25 yards like you posted to shooting 1 hole 5 shot groups. That was with Federal Match ammo. I've since pulled the scope off and added Tech Sights to make it an Appleseed rifle. With the Federal Bulk pack (the 550 round box) it's not as accurate, but still plenty good enough to shoot Rifleman.
 
becker check your hogue stock. they are cool but can be a real prob for your bull barrel. I've seen several that put pressure on your rifle. also they tend to flex some. if you can't slide a dollar bill under the whole barrel you could have a problem
 
bdbecker

Ruger 10/22 "Build" Thread
Yeah, one can pour quite a bit of time and money into the 10/22 and still come out with a plinker. I have a Marlin 25N, 981, & a 60 and they are all more accurate than my 10/22's whether upgraded or stock - even the 60 shoots better. The 10/22 is a fun rifle but unless you spend a good amount of change on one, it is not going to perform better than bolts.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the 10/22 at all. They are great guns and I have a few of them myself, but they are not target rifles in stock form or lower-budget upgraded form.
 
becker check your hogue stock. they are cool but can be a real prob for your bull barrel. I've seen several that put pressure on your rifle. also they tend to flex some. if you can't slide a dollar bill under the whole barrel you could have a problem

I know exactly what you are talking about. I actually sanded down both my Remington and my Ruger using a mild grit sandpaper wrapped around a deep well socket to clean things up around the end of the forearm. It actually worked really well, but it took quite a bit of time to get it just right. I am now able to slide a dollar bill easily down both barrels.
 
Okay, back from the range again. It is cold, rainy, and windy here today, but I couldn't wait to try out the trigger after last night's work. I'm very happy with where it is at now. I don't have a pull gauge, so I don't know exactly where I'm at, but it feels good.

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I was actually a little dissapointed at how poorly I did with the Remington and CCI (circles marked R and C) ammuntion that I was so happy with yesterday. I had some Federal 40 grain Champion RN 'bulk pack' laying around from a previous trip to the handgun range at Gary's Gun Shop, so I decided to throw it in and was surprised at how well that did (circles marked F). The Winchester still sucked (W circles) and the Federal bulk pack hollow points (FH circles) I was using on the first board got better, but still wasn't as good as the round nose Federal.

So where does that leave me? Well, before I do anything more to the rifle, I want to bring it back out on a day when its not so windy and rainy to see where I'm at. If it's still giving me trouble, I'll start looking at bedding as alemonkey suggested. The other thing I'm looking into is the crown of the barrel, or lack thereof. The TI barrel is machined flat - no chamfer or round, only a 90 degree edge. Luckily my cousin is a gunsmith, so I've got someone who can help me through these issues.

I'm only going to say this one more time, and I mean no disrespect to anyone who has already posted. I totally understand that bolt guns can be better shooters than Rugers for less money invested. If all you get out of this thread is that some dumbass spent a lot of time and money on a Ruger that throws 1" groups at 50 yards, then great, you learned you should buy a bolt gun. If you are interested in getting a Ruger, or upgrading one you already have, then by all means learn from my many mistakes and (hopefully) future successes.
 
You might try some different ammo as well. These guns are very particular. My groups with federal and remington suck, CCI mini-mags are decent, and CCI subsonics are very good. One of the things that really helped groups (probably as much as the bull barrel) was dropping in a volquartsen target hammer and the springs that came with it. I didn't expect it make as big an impact as it did, and they aren't super expensive. I think they are $30-$40.
 
There is something very strange going on with your rifle. Unless you're getting a lot of flex in the forend putting inconsistent pressure on your barrel, I'd say the barrel is highly suspect. Any decent aftermarket barrel should be able to shoot .75"@50yds with decent ammo. A setback and rechambered/recrowned factory barrel should shoot that well. A good barrel like those from Clark, Shilen or KIDD should get less than a half inch without much trouble. With tuning and bedding, considerably less. For some, a lot less. You might wanna call Tactical Inc. on this one.

Here is one I built last year with a Nodak/Spud receiver, Clark mid-weight barrel, KIDD trigger, accurized bolt and Boyd's stock. It easily outshoots any boltgun I ever owned, including CZ's, a Remington 541 and heavy barrel Savage MKII. Think 3/8"@50yds with Wolf MT and 3/4"@100yds. Consistently, no flukes. It is also my Appleseed rifle so reliability is of utmost importance. So I have to kind of chuckle when folks make comments about it not being worth the investment or that you can spend a lot of money on one and it not shoot as well as a $300 bolt gun or that they are unreliable.
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When he told me he used Wolf, I thought he was kidding.
Unlike their cheap steel cased centerfire stuff, Wolf match .22LR ammunition is really good ammo and relatively cheap. It is made by SK of Germany.
 
When you can find some wolf m/t or sk rmatch do so . The wolf and sk or made by Lapua and that stuff allway seems to shoot real well in most 22's. If you have your trigger down to around 3lb's that about as good as you may get stock parts. Try to pinch the trigger and the gaurd to fire the rifle. Not wrapping your hand around it. OH how cold is it when shooting. Cold weather and accuracy don't allways go together. Is your barrel free floated ?
Nice looking couple rifles.

Many of use have mixed parts rugers but many will shoot under 1/2" at 50 yards after you get desent weather to play in and an ammo it likes.. Mine does not like cci over all.
 
.22's (all of them) are addicted to one or two ammo types. First, don't try for accuracy with any of the hyper-velocity stuff. Stick with plain old standard velocity and get as many different brands and combinations as you can.

Next, if you are going to shoot bulk, get an empty .25 shell casing and drop them in so just the rim is sticking out, use your dial caliper and measure overall length. Separate all the same rim thickness rounds into piles and shoot them as a group. Your gun will tell you which rim thickness it likes best. Then start buying better ammo with with that thickness.

get some boxes of target grade ammo like Winchester T22 and Eley, Wolf, CCI Green, etc. Shoot that for groups. About half of what you are seeing is variation in the bulk cheaper ammo. It is not telling you anything about your rifle because the variation is in the ammo.

Clean the barrel between groups with different ammo. Then shoot a few fouling shots, and then shoot for group measurement. Each ammo leaves tell-tale lube smears in the bore and they don't all get along.

Is the bottom of the butt stock on a BB or Sand bag too. Groups for testing need to get your shoulder, breathing and heart beat out of the equation. Once you have the best ammo for that rifle all figured out, you can put your body back into the equation and try to get your technique to equal what you get off of the bags with the rifle isolated :)
 
CraigC,

Thats a nice LTR! Care to share how much that would cost to build all up?
 
I love Ruger 10/22's for what they are. However, your thread is a prime example of why I don't want one for a target rifle. You can throw a pile of $$ at one and still not have it perform as well as some other out of the box bolt guns, especially the CZ's.

Got a 1970's Ruger carbine (used $100), factory trigger, Hogue stock ($80), Crapco scope ($35), and Shooters Ridge 18" Bull barrel ($130). $350 for these results @50yrds off sandbags with Wolf Match Ammo........Just sayin :D.

Of course take all I said with a grain of salt. Somebody is gonna come on here and tell you about their tack driving 10/22....At any rate, good luck with your project.

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P.s. Sorry for the crappy pics, was in a hurry.
 

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