Strange occurrence with a Remington 1911

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First, I would probably not believe this had I not seen it in person.

I was shooting with a friend who had recently purchased a Remington 1911. We were taking turns with it; each one of us would shoot a magazine, and once it locked back, we would take the pistol over to the bench, drop the mag out, and reload for the next guy. The owner fired the last battery out of the pistol, it locked back and he sat it on the bench. We chatted for a bit, and then we he picked the weapon up to store it, he happened to look in the chamber and there was a live round in the chamber. The slide had locked back on his last shot. No round was manually inserted, yet one had somehow gotten into the chamber after the last shot was fired.
No one else handled this weapon; only the two of us.
Has anyone seen anything like this before?
Any ideas how this could happen?
The only thing that comes to mind (which seems really unlikely) is that when the next-to-last round in the mag was fired, the slide locked back prematurely, and somehow the recoil freed the final round from the magazine, and it made it into the chamber. Unlikely, I know, but I can't come up with anything else.
Thoughts?
 
Yes, premature slide lock can occur - give Remington a call and they'll probably tell you to send it in. It probably has to do with magazine follower / slide lock fitting/tuning.
 
Or the shooter inadvertently pushed the slide stop up, locking the slide.

The round in the chamber probably was dislodged somehow, either at the shot or on the way to the table or both.

Buy more mags, number them, pay attention and see if it happens again. (which is unlikely)
 
Assume nothing about guns.
Check and double check everything, always.
Them shootin' irons are sly critters.
 
It's called "Inertia Feed" and it comes in a few flavors. Basically, what happens is that the last round "jumps" the magazine when the slide hits the impact abutment in the frame. Depending on just when it happens, it can show up with the slide locked and the last round lying loose on top of the magazine...the next to last round being ejected by the last round rising, and feeding the last round...and the incident that you noticed. If you've ever found live ammo among your empty brass...heeeeere's your bug.

It can also cause push feeding, in which case the round is shoved into the chamber ahead of the extractor. Sometimes the slide stops out of battery and sometimes the extractor claw climbs the rim and gives the impression that the gun is functioning fine...until you start getting failures to extract or eject...or erratic ejection because the extractor has lost tension. In extreme cases, the extractor breaks off flush with the breechface.

Overspringing the slide makes it more likely to happen, but the cause is a weak magazine spring or a smooth follower...or both. That little speed bump on top of the original follower was put there for a reason.
 
Years ago I was shooting a SA 1911 one day when it ejected a fired case and a live round, as well as chambering a round.

When I saw the live round ejected and laying there on the ground, I assumed the chamber was empty, but when I checked it was not. Wild. It has never happened again and I have shot that gun a lot. I think it was with the stock mag, I think. Anyway, I bought three McCormick "Shooting Star" mags that I still use to this day with it. Still a favorite pistol.
 
It never ceases to amaze what I learn here. Tuner, you are a true asset to this forum:)
 
Thanks!

Many thanks to all those who replied.
This was something new to me and the owner of the pistol.
Good to know that although unusual, it wasn't something unexplainable.
Thanks again.
 
I think Tuner's explanation is part of the story, but I suspect that the last round in the magazine ended up laying on top of the follower just as he says, but that the person who picked up the pistol pointed it downward, allowing the loose round to fall into the chamber.

In any case, a good example of the need to FULLY check a gun to make sure it is not loaded. Just seeing the slide locked back or removing the magazine does not ensure there is not a round in the chamber.

Jim
 
Absolutely. Wish I had a nickel for every time a live round was ejected or fell out of a gun that just seconds before, I was assured was unloaded.

It's not clear until the slide is locked open or the cylinder swung out and the chamber(s) visually checked...by me. With single-action revolvers, I want to look at each chamber as it indexes. Don't bother telling me that it's unloaded. I won't take your word for it, and I don't expect you to take mine.
 
I count the rounds I load. If I load 10 the gun better go bang 10 times. If not, things get checked out at the line.

When the slide locks back, I still check the chamber.

I trust nothing.

All the Best,
D. White
 
My SA Milspec would do stuff like that. Mainly it would double feed: one round half in the chamber, the next one coming up from underneath behind the extractor. I would also have loaded rounds pop out the top from time to time. Drove me nuts. I got a Colt.

-J.
 
-J.
A Colt is always a great choice

The beautiful thing about the 1911 pattern pistol besides how easy it is to shoot well is that it is very old technology. I think it would be very hard to have a failure that wasn’t very well documented. The problems you had with your Milspec were most likely very easy to fix. I had similar problems with a 1911. It turned out to be as simple as me over lubricating the gun and oil getting down into the magazines.
Those slippery little rounds just popped out on their own.
 
This is what it looks like in the middle of the action. By the time it's done the cartridge is in the chamber.

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CAW
 
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