Glock 19 chokes again after Glock fixed it
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You should try several types of ammunition as I haven't seen one mention of the ammunition used .
If you normally shoot fairly low powered 9mm ammunition such as Winchester White Box, you might consider replacing the factory captured recoil spring assembly with a non captured rod and reduced power recoil spring and the problem will likely go away. HTH
If you normally shoot fairly low powered 9mm ammunition such as Winchester White Box, you might consider replacing the factory captured recoil spring assembly with a non captured rod and reduced power recoil spring and the problem will likely go away. HTH
351 WINCHESTER
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I tried 4 different kinds of ammo including 2 or European origin (s & b & fiocchi) which are loaded to higher pressures than our ammo.
Apocalypse-Now
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my gen3 19 did the same exact thing. i replaced the extractor and ejector. problem solved.
351 WINCHESTER
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My neighbor want's to buy it, but I'm holding Glock to the fire.
I'm going through the same thing right now with Glock. I have a late model GEN3 G19 that started throwing brass at me after a few hundred rounds. It went back to Glock and they basically put all new parts in the gun. But after about 600 rounds it started doing it again. This time around I asked for a new GEN4 G19 since I didn't feel they could fix the gun. They o.k.'d it and said that I would have it in two weeks.
Three weeks went by and no Glock. I called and spoke with the man who had o.k.'d the gun exchange. After a bunch of crap he finally found my gun and said it as being "repaired". I hit the roof. Look some guys have had there GEN3's back 3-4 times and they are "repaired" and "in spec". Somtimes they do something to them. Somtimes they just send them back with the "in spec" b.s.. When I spoke with them 3 weeks ago if your gun had gone back more than once they will upon request replace it with a new GEN4 G19.
Most of the new GEN4 G19's with the upgrades especially the 30274 ejector seem to work pretty well. Recently (like a little over a week ago)they started putting the 30274 ejector into the GEN3's. They wouldn't do it for the longest time. So you can take your chances with the new ejector on your GEN3. Or request a new GEN4. Problem is you get different answers from different people on what they will not do. It gets very confusing.
I posted on Glock Talk about my troubles and it has caused a firestorm. Most of the folks have tried to help but a few of the "true believers" will basically call you a liar if you say you are having problems. In the early stages Glock was saying people were limpwristing and using weak WWB ammo. This was the same excuse they used when NYPD was having their G19's jamming. Glock finally did something when NYPD started looking at Rugers. The true believers are still espousing the limpwristing, weak ammo thing.
It's b.s.. I own several Glocks in multiple calibers. All of the earlier production guns will feed, fire, and eject rounds into a nice little pile. They will shoot any ammo including WWB or Federal Champion. If you have to use a super tight grip and stance as some of the die hards say and NATO SPEC ammo then what happens in a self defense situation if you end up on the ground or in a less than perfect stance? Who would trust a gun to protect their life that required all these things to go right? Then they tell you if the brass is hitting you in the face it's not a problem. Just wear a hat a safety glasses. So you not only need a perfect stance, the right ammo, but you better hope you have safety glasses and a hat with you when things go South.
I know I've went way over what you've asked. One guy said in a gunfight you'll never notice hot brass to the eye! Lots of folks including me have gotten burned by brass getting caught in our safety glasses. Some have even gotten burned and cut by hot brass. I'm just trying to warn you if they ask you what ammo you've used as long as it is SAMMI spec ammo it should work in any functioning gun. If a gun is throwing ammo into your face on a regular basis it needs repair. Not a tighter grip and hotter ammo. As I said my older 9mm Glocks will shoot any 9mm ammo. Hope this helps.
Three weeks went by and no Glock. I called and spoke with the man who had o.k.'d the gun exchange. After a bunch of crap he finally found my gun and said it as being "repaired". I hit the roof. Look some guys have had there GEN3's back 3-4 times and they are "repaired" and "in spec". Somtimes they do something to them. Somtimes they just send them back with the "in spec" b.s.. When I spoke with them 3 weeks ago if your gun had gone back more than once they will upon request replace it with a new GEN4 G19.
Most of the new GEN4 G19's with the upgrades especially the 30274 ejector seem to work pretty well. Recently (like a little over a week ago)they started putting the 30274 ejector into the GEN3's. They wouldn't do it for the longest time. So you can take your chances with the new ejector on your GEN3. Or request a new GEN4. Problem is you get different answers from different people on what they will not do. It gets very confusing.
I posted on Glock Talk about my troubles and it has caused a firestorm. Most of the folks have tried to help but a few of the "true believers" will basically call you a liar if you say you are having problems. In the early stages Glock was saying people were limpwristing and using weak WWB ammo. This was the same excuse they used when NYPD was having their G19's jamming. Glock finally did something when NYPD started looking at Rugers. The true believers are still espousing the limpwristing, weak ammo thing.
It's b.s.. I own several Glocks in multiple calibers. All of the earlier production guns will feed, fire, and eject rounds into a nice little pile. They will shoot any ammo including WWB or Federal Champion. If you have to use a super tight grip and stance as some of the die hards say and NATO SPEC ammo then what happens in a self defense situation if you end up on the ground or in a less than perfect stance? Who would trust a gun to protect their life that required all these things to go right? Then they tell you if the brass is hitting you in the face it's not a problem. Just wear a hat a safety glasses. So you not only need a perfect stance, the right ammo, but you better hope you have safety glasses and a hat with you when things go South.
I know I've went way over what you've asked. One guy said in a gunfight you'll never notice hot brass to the eye! Lots of folks including me have gotten burned by brass getting caught in our safety glasses. Some have even gotten burned and cut by hot brass. I'm just trying to warn you if they ask you what ammo you've used as long as it is SAMMI spec ammo it should work in any functioning gun. If a gun is throwing ammo into your face on a regular basis it needs repair. Not a tighter grip and hotter ammo. As I said my older 9mm Glocks will shoot any 9mm ammo. Hope this helps.
mdauben
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Probably because it is a common problem and it should be eliminated before you start replacing parts.
Since Glock replace some of their machined parts with MIM parts some time after Gen3 production started there have been consistent reports of FTF and FTE. Its not universal, but it is there and seems to be tied to poor QC of those MIM parts (some of them work flawlessly, others... not so much).
Its also true that Glock seems reluctant to admit there is a problem, although I suppose they are not alone in that. May manufacturers will refuse to admit to defects in their products, in fear of the expense of massive recalls or liability lawsuits.
351 WINCHESTER
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Talked with their warranty mgr. Doug Robinson. He is sending ppd Fedex and promised they will take care of the problems. I told him the fix was a different ejector 30274, but he would not confirm/deny that.
We will see what happend.
We will see what happend.
jfrey
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SIGLBER pretty well summed it up. I have gone through the same thing with my G19. I called last week and got some cornball on the phone who was obviously having a bad day. He wouldn't send me the new ejector since I had told him I had a Gen 3 gun. Not every problem with a Glock is limp wristing. I shoot with a very strong grip and the brass flies everywhere. The fanboys over on GT will flame and blame you every time you mention a problem. There are certainly better sites and people will listen and give more useful information here anyway. After the sale, CS is everything. S&W and Springfield know this and Glock better wise up or they are going to loose a lot of customers in the future.
voyager4520
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They're still telling you that they're not using the new ejectors in Gen3's? A bunch of people on another forum posted that they received their Gen3's back from Glock with the new ejectors in them, so maybe Glock is trying them in Gen3's on an experimental basis or perhaps someone in their Warranty Department installed them without higher-up authorization. When I called about the new ejectors, I called twice and spoke to two different people who both said they're using the new ejectors in Gen3's now but they can't send them to anyone who's not an Armorer.
Several people on another forum said when they talked to the Warranty Manager they said something along the lines of "the gun was supposed to be fixed the first or even second time I sent it in and it's still throwing brass in my face, I'd like it to either be replaced with one that works properly or have a refund of the full retail price". Some of them specifically requested Gen4's with the new ejectors, all of them subsequently got brand new Gen4 G19's with the new ejectors in them as replacements for the Gen3 G19's.
I just got a 28926 ejector(not from Glock) to try in my Gen3 G27 which has the ejection problem but I won't be able to try it for a little over a week.
Several people on another forum said when they talked to the Warranty Manager they said something along the lines of "the gun was supposed to be fixed the first or even second time I sent it in and it's still throwing brass in my face, I'd like it to either be replaced with one that works properly or have a refund of the full retail price". Some of them specifically requested Gen4's with the new ejectors, all of them subsequently got brand new Gen4 G19's with the new ejectors in them as replacements for the Gen3 G19's.
I just got a 28926 ejector(not from Glock) to try in my Gen3 G27 which has the ejection problem but I won't be able to try it for a little over a week.
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I have a Gen2 19 that i bought new in 1995. I called Glock recently to find out when it was made and the rep offered to have me send it in to have all the parts "upgraded" to the latest.
I thanked him but threads like this are why I have intention of sending it in.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it !
I thanked him but threads like this are why I have intention of sending it in.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it !
JohnBT
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Maybe they want the 1995 parts out of your gun to fix a new gun that doesn't work.
NMGonzo
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Get a cz75
stonecutter2
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GT is not a bad community. To be quite honest, limp wristing a Glock (and i'm not talking about powder puff limp wristing, i'm talking about letting the pistol flip a little too much) can actually cause the problems people describe.
Is the cause always limp wristing? No. But it can certainly be a factor.
stonecutter2
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Glock's trying to make customers happy. That's what good companies do when customers complain. Could be they had one small batch of out of spec components, it happens - they don't lovingly hand craft every individual part to perfection. The gun would be $4000 then instead of $450.
HoboCoastie
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Just sayin'...
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HoboCoastie
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I've had four Glocks now (G22, G23x2, & G26) and zero problems. Not saying they don't exist. I've heard the Gen 4's are having some kind of issue.
But to the people drinking the Haterade, I have to ask, what are you comparing the Glock to that has been MORE successful at the SAME PRICE POINT? I don't think there is any other mfr even close in it's class. Even the ones that have reached "Almost as Good" status, still aren't.
To get back on-topic, I would have to say that I refuse to believe that Glock returned a weapon to you that was faulty and potentially unsafe. If they say there's nothing wrong with it, then I'm inclined to believe them. I don't know what the solution is regarding your problem, but if you're confident it's not your shooting style, then I'd look at the ammunition. In the interim, maybe you should wear a face shield? Lol. Good luck with this one.
But to the people drinking the Haterade, I have to ask, what are you comparing the Glock to that has been MORE successful at the SAME PRICE POINT? I don't think there is any other mfr even close in it's class. Even the ones that have reached "Almost as Good" status, still aren't.
To get back on-topic, I would have to say that I refuse to believe that Glock returned a weapon to you that was faulty and potentially unsafe. If they say there's nothing wrong with it, then I'm inclined to believe them. I don't know what the solution is regarding your problem, but if you're confident it's not your shooting style, then I'd look at the ammunition. In the interim, maybe you should wear a face shield? Lol. Good luck with this one.
I'd buy a used $900 gun priced down to 5-600 over a new glock any day. I see choke after choke with glock handguns that I'd be willing to deal with a degree of unknown and go with a used higher-dollar gun.
I'm not a fan of the XD and the M&P doesn't cut it for me either.
I'm not a fan of the XD and the M&P doesn't cut it for me either.
HoboCoastie
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I'd agree with that...Minus the choke part. That's why I've had 4 Glocks...because somebody came along that wanted to trade something worth more for the one I had.
All my Glocks have gone bang every single time...but I'm not in love with them. When somebody comes along that wants to trade and isn't smart enough to know that brand new Glocks are a dime a dozen, well I'll take that deal any day of the week. I keep replacing the traded Glock with another Glock and I carry one. 65% of all Law Enforcement Agencies in the United States and 270 million American civilians (MSNBC) can't be wrong.
jfrey
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It seems that the G19's made in 2010 ans 2011 have the ejection problems. My son has a 2007 model that isn't afficted with the problem. When they went to the MIM extractor with the dip in it, the problems started showing up. The funny part is, it seems they work fine until you get a few hundred rounds through them and then the brass everywhere starts to happen. There are also threads about polishing the extractor but that doesn't always work either. It will be interesting to see what the final solution to this problem actually is.
If I had trouble after a few hundred rounds in a $500 pistol I'd be livid, especially since the company and their fanboys wave the flag of perfection.
If a 90 pound female with small hands and hardly any firearms experience can't cause limp wrist failures in any of my guns, a full grown man shouldn't be close to able to limp wrist a glock and make it malfunction under any stretch of the imagination. That's a flaw, not perfection.
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