Glock 19 chokes again after Glock fixed it

[Nushif]

My wife, who shoots mini to subcompact guns mainly has severe problems making a Glock run. It may not necessarily be an issue of a traditional "limp wrist," but rather than of "not good for Glock" technique.
She has managed jamming both my Glock 26 and a friend's 19, as well as a 17. Purely because her grip is just strange enough to do so.
So I will reiterate: From my experience, Glocks require a very, very specific manual of arms, much like ye olde 1911, and simply put, not everyone likes it or is willing to learn it.
I would very seriously advise you to either accept that the Glock isn't for you, or to re-evaluate your technique, specific to the gun you're using.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

Nushif, If Glocks "require a very, very specific manual of arms, much like ye olde 1911" how on God's green earth do most Glock owners manage to make theirs run without choking?

This ain't my first rodeo with pistols. One of the reasons I bought a Glock was due to the fact that I shot a friends' 19 and was so impressed with it's accuracy and relaibility that I had to have one.

Maybe Glock isn't for me, but that is my decision to make. If, after Glock "fixes" it the second time arond and it's still tossing brass all over the place and back to my face I will sell it and never look back. I have pleantly of other pistols that work 100% and are made of steel and wood and have a real safety.

I only bought Glock based on their reputation. It's a pistol that I would not miss if it got stolen or run over by a semi.

 

[jfrey]

351 I pretty much agree with what you said. I have several 1911's and don't have a single problem shooting any of them. After installing Dawson Precision sights and doing the polish job with a new slick trigger trigger bar, I got my G19 to shoot just like my 1911. Other than throwing brass, mine actually shoots very well. I even contemplated the grip reduction but now have decided against doing that. If a new ejector will fix the problem I'll be happy and the G19 will be my primary carry weapon.

The gripe is the run around some folks have gotten from Glock when they had problems.

 

[Nushif]

I seem to have no problem with either Glocks or a 1911 either, but I am saying that both guns do require a specific hold.
Take me as an example. When I started shooting my 1911 exclusively I ended up hanging up a perfectly reliably gun (the handgun I learned shooting on, specifically) otherwise. It was me, the shooter, holding my thumb in the wrong spot for the gun.
Nothing personal. >.0

 

[HoboCoastie]

Getting run over by a semi wouldn't hurt a Glock.

 

[sargents1]

My cousin had a P85 that spit brass into his forehead. I picked it up and have never had a problem with it. BTW, he is an experienced shooter (former Marine) and he shoots competitively (and wins).

Some guns just don't work for some people. They aren't necessarily defective.

 

[bruzer]

How does the Prepaid shipping label work? Thanks,
Mike

 

[JDGray]

How does the Prepaid shipping label work? Thanks,
Mike

Kimber emailed a return lable, Ruger mail one, guess it depends on the Company.
Afix lable to your boxed weapon, take to UPS or Fedex

 

[HKGuns]

You're obviously doing something wrong. There is no way that your gLoCk could be malfing. They just don't stop running, no matter what you do to them.

Spend some extra money on an HK and your worries will go away.

 

[SIGLBER]

No matter where you go if you say you are having problems with your late model GEN3 G19 or GEN4 people start in right away with the "limpwrisiting" and "weak ammo" excuses. Glock has gone through 5 or so RSA changes, different extractors because of a supposed "bad batch", and now the new ejector. And the recall (er... upgrade). Glock is replacing guns they can't fix. You don't do that because people are limpwristing. And the ammo I and others have tried include everything from WWB to Winchester Ranger 127gr. +P+ ammo.
My earlier Glocks shoot this same ammo all day. My older Glock have never not worked. So Glock changes the design and suddenly the gun is ammo sensitive and a bunch of people start limpwristing that never did before. Bull!
As I said you only do multiple redesigns of faulty products. You only replace guns when they cannot be fixed. You don't recall guns that work. I'm not saying they are all bad. But in order for Glock to go to the expense of a recall and everything else we can safely assume it's not a small percentage of guns. If it was the normal repair/warranty process would take care of it.

 

[SIGLBER]

Just looked through the posts again. If a gun has to be held a certain way, with a certain stance beyond what is required of other weapons it is not fit to trust your life with. In a real confrontation you seldom have the opportunity to get everything "just right". It would not be prudent to trust ones life to a gun that requires a just so grip and a perfect body postion. What if you end up on the ground, have to shoot from an odd angle, seated or so on. You get the idea.

 

[the_hustleman]

If I had trouble after a few hundred rounds in a $500 pistol I'd be livid, especially since the company and their fanboys wave the flag of perfection.

If a 90 pound female with small hands and hardly any firearms experience can't cause limp wrist failures in any of my guns, a full grown man shouldn't be close to able to limp wrist a glock and make it malfunction under any stretch of the imagination. That's a flaw, not perfection.

You want perfection? Get an m&p.

gave up the glock when I found a reliable pistol with better ergonomics, more accurate, just a much better gun.

I purposely limp wristed the m&p for 2 magazines. just to see if it screws up - not a single flaw in 2k rounds.


I shot glocks before, not bad guns, just bad ergos but great sights. Fired about 250 rounds from a friends glock, only about 5 misfires, 3 of them when I limp wristed it.

Solid pistol, but I can definitely see why so many departments are switching to m&p.

Just a better gun

*swyped from the evo so excuse any typos*

 

[Jeremiah10:23]

I am a newbie and do not understand "limp wristing". What is it and how does it cause the ejection problems?

 

[PowerG]

I am a newbie and do not understand "limp wristing". What is it and how does it cause the ejection problems?

The pistol operates by the slide moving relative to the frame to extract and eject the fired case, and to strip the next round from the magazine and chamber it. By not holding the pistol firmly enough, it allows the frame to move with the slide too much to allow the cycle to work as designed.

 

[rooter]

so i will reiterate: From my experience, glocks require a very, very specific manual of arms, much like ye olde 1911

You must be kidding!

 

[Ben86]

Should have got a S&W M&P.

I do like Glocks, I have 3 myself, but it seems recently somewhere, somehow, something went very wrong with their design or production.

 

[SIGLBER]

It is recent. As I said I've got a Police Trade In G22 that has never had a problem. Have owned/do own a G17, G27, G22, G35, G30, and a couple of G19's. It's the late model (late 2010-2011) versions that are the problem. Yes prople can limpwrist but I think it's way overused as an excuse for a gun not working. I literally showed an 8 year old who asked (with his father's permission) to shoot my SA Ultra Compact .45 (Officers model) and he fired through seven rounds and just had a big smile on his face afterards. And small 1911's are notoriously finicky.
Most limpwristing I've seen was someone (usually a petit female, not saying lots of women can't shoot, most can with propr instruction just like males) who was not holding the gun properly. Usually the gun not high enough on the grip/tang area of the gun. But to say that people that have been shooting Glocks (and other guns for that matter) for years with no problems and buy a new one and have problems that they are limpwristing is crazy. I took my trouble prone late model G19 to the range with an earlier G17 that never had any problems. Fired one, then the other. G17 with the same ammo as the G19 fired it usual boringly consistent way. G19 has all the ejection problems. It's the gun. And as I said my earlier versions of Glock are as reliable as their reputation. Comparing them and the guns were speaking of is a case of apples vs. oranges.

 

[Willfully Armed]

Jeezopeet!

I've been a Glock owner for over a decade. My first was a Gen3 G20. I love it more than my dog. Then I got a few more... Gen2 17, gen3 17, gen2 22, gen3 34, and another gen3 34 .


I've used both 17s, both 34s and the 20 in Idpa. From factory ammo to home rolled that barely make power factor. From my experience and at 100k rounds fired in Glocks, I can say this with 100% conviction.

Anyone who says they've never experienced a malfunction in a glock with thousands of rounds fired... is not being truthful.

I get a hiccup every once in a while. Usually from a high grip that slows the slide down. Once from buildup in the firing pin channel. A few squibs.

But I've seen WAY MORE malfunctions from the 1911 shooters.



There is no Tupperware panacea. No perfect flawless pistols. They are machines, and machines fail sometimes.


If you're going to argue a point... do it rationally.

 

[Onmilo]

Willfully Armed, I am a liar then.
I have NEVER experienced a malfunction in any of four Glock pistols that can be directly attributed to the gun, period.
Choke from substandard ammo, yes.
Choke from gun issue, nope, nada, not even one.

 

[Drail]

You can't improve "PERFECTION". Or apparently repair it so it functions either.

 

[jp9mm]

Hmm so you shoot a friends G19 with no issues, maybe there's a certain way your G19 likes to be held that your not doing.

You must connect with your Glock on a emotional level to find out what it needs.

Is there a Glock psychic in the house?

 

[Onmilo]

Or it could be, just maybe, that the OP got himself a bad gun.
Every company lets one out from time to time.
Hell Smith and Wesson does it as a matter of policy now and you don't see three page threads whining about their stuff,,,

 

[ohwell]

Sell it to your neighbor and buy a Ruger SR series ... Problem solved!

 

[Ben86]

I get a hiccup every once in a while. Usually from a high grip that slows the slide down.

I thought it was low or infirm grips that slow slide velocity and cause malfunctions.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Getting run over by a semi wouldn't hurt a Glock.

Getting run over by construction equipment won't hurt a SIG.

Spend some extra money on an HK and your worries will go away.

Especially if you load the magazines backwards!

One poster here once called the XD an inferior gun. I purposely tried to limp wrist my gun with shooting one handed, bent elbow where it was at 90 degrees and still didn't get a jam.