Glock 19 choked
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That's interesting. I noticed a degree of looseness well before the Gen4's came out. My G21 extractor holds the brass tight. G27 kinda loose. 3rd gen G19, plenty o air between the case head and breech. The ejected brass follows the same progression. G21 throws 'em in a pile. G27, somewhat messy. G19, all over the neighborhood.
But I've never had one come back at my face, and it's only choked once or twice (on weak cast reloads).
FWIW, the 3rd gen 40SW extractor I have in my G27 appears to hold the brass tighter than the replacement 3rd gen G19/17 extractor I (misguidedly) bought for a conversion. Otherwise, it appears identical. I wonder if buying a 40SW extractor might solve the problem for $20 bucks, instead of having to ship the gun back to Glock.
If the extractor is too tight, you may get an issue with feeding, though. I always thought the Glock 9mm extractor was super loose to aid in this regard. Is it really just mine? (and other people having actual issues?) People have been complaining about Glocks being messy with the brass forever and a year. But perhaps their machining tolerances aren't as tight as I thought?
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voyager4520
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Using a .40SW extractor in your 9mm which has erratic ejection may well help the ejection, many people have done it with success. When the LoneWolf extractors were first released, LWD mislabeled their extractors and the 9mm and .40 extractors were mixed up with each other. Many people had success with LoneWolf extractors fixing their ejection in 9mm Glocks because they were actually using .40 extractors. I know of two other people who intentionally put factory .40 extractors in their 9mm Glocks and it fixed their ejection.
The .40 extractor has a 5 degree tilt to the claw which acts to raise the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection, helping the case mouth to clear the bottom of the ejection port. The .40 extractor will also hold the case rim slightly tighter to the breech face. 9mm extractors have a parallel claw and leave more of a gap between the claw and the breech face.
The new ejector Glock is using in Gen4's, stamped 30274 for 9mm and 28926 for .40, has a rearward tilt to the face of the ejector which helps raise the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection, the same effect that the 5 degree claw on a .40 extractor has.
With my Gen3 G27 I plan to wait until the newest Gen4 trigger housings sold by online retailers have the new ejector in them, and I'm going to put that ejector into a Gen3 trigger housing to use in my Gen3 G27. One person on another forum has already tried this with his Gen3 G34 and it fixed the ejection in that gun.
The .40 extractor has a 5 degree tilt to the claw which acts to raise the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection, helping the case mouth to clear the bottom of the ejection port. The .40 extractor will also hold the case rim slightly tighter to the breech face. 9mm extractors have a parallel claw and leave more of a gap between the claw and the breech face.
The new ejector Glock is using in Gen4's, stamped 30274 for 9mm and 28926 for .40, has a rearward tilt to the face of the ejector which helps raise the case mouth of the spent casing earlier during ejection, the same effect that the 5 degree claw on a .40 extractor has.
With my Gen3 G27 I plan to wait until the newest Gen4 trigger housings sold by online retailers have the new ejector in them, and I'm going to put that ejector into a Gen3 trigger housing to use in my Gen3 G27. One person on another forum has already tried this with his Gen3 G34 and it fixed the ejection in that gun.
Hit_Factor
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If you are not having any issues with your G19, don't worry. These threads fill up with stories about problems a friend of this guy I read about on the internet said...
351 WINCHESTER
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I agree if you are not having issues don't worry. I only stated that I am having issues, my pistol has been received by glock and hopefully they will fix the problems, replace it with a new one that works or give me a full refund.
I don't start internet "stories" nor do I endorse them. The facts stand as they are.
I don't start internet "stories" nor do I endorse them. The facts stand as they are.
Apocalypse-Now
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put in a new extractor. it's cheaper and much less of a headache than dealing with glock's customer service.
voyager4520
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Glock is now using the 30274 9mm and 28926 .40 ejectors in Gen3's, but they will not send the ejector to someone who's not an Armorer. So you either have to ask a local Armorer to order the part for you and install it, or send the gun to Glock to have them replace the ejector.
I called them this morning, twice, to see if they'd send me the 28926 ejector for my Gen3 G27 and they said that they will install the new ejector in Gen3's but they won't send the ejector to me because I'm not an Armorer. And because I'd have to drive like 70 miles to a Fedex location that would accept a firearm and I don't know any Armorers in my area I just have to wait until online retailers begin selling the new ejector.
I called them this morning, twice, to see if they'd send me the 28926 ejector for my Gen3 G27 and they said that they will install the new ejector in Gen3's but they won't send the ejector to me because I'm not an Armorer. And because I'd have to drive like 70 miles to a Fedex location that would accept a firearm and I don't know any Armorers in my area I just have to wait until online retailers begin selling the new ejector.
rcmodel
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Glock parts, including ejectors:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=0/sid=858/schematicsdetail/Models-17-39
rc
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=0/sid=858/schematicsdetail/Models-17-39
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voyager4520
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Those trigger housings all have the old ejectors in them, currently the only source for the new 30274 9mm and 28926 .40 ejectors is directly from Glock Inc.
rcmodel
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Whats wrong with the old ejectors?
I still have the original one in my Glock 23 I bought new in 1995.
Don't tell me they Perfected Perfection!
rc
I still have the original one in my Glock 23 I bought new in 1995.
Don't tell me they Perfected Perfection!
rc
voyager4520
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The old ejectors don't have anything wrong with them, there's another problem in a small percentage of recent production Glocks which causes the ejection problems and the new ejectors change ejection enough to fix the problem. The cause of the problem is open to speculation.
I've tried replacing my extractor and trigger housing w/ejector and the extractor did make a small difference, but the gun still ejects erratically. From what I can see comparing the spent casings from my G23 which ejects fine and my G27 which has erratic ejection, in the G27 the extractor isn't holding the rim of the casing to the breech face so the casing is allowed to turn and drop lower before the ejector hits it. The casing pivots right and scrapes against the slide at the case mouth just below the ejection port opening, then pivots upward and the rim comes out from under the extractor claw early, then the casing bounces around in the ejection port any number of ways. The new ejector has a rearward tilt to the face of it which raises the case mouth of the casing earlier during ejection, plus the face of the ejector is taller from top to bottom so that no matter how far down the casing drops - the ejector will act on it in the same manner.
My own personal theory as to the cause is that the cut-out in the slide for the extractor is machined too far forward toward the muzzle so the extractor isn't holding the rim of the casing to the breech face. Using the same extractor in the slides of both of my guns with a spent casing that has the primer punched out and the spent casing manually pushed against the breech face, I can see that there's more of the gap between the extractor claw and breech face in the G27 slide.
I've tried different 1882(old) ejectors and .40 LCI and non-LCI extractors with the appropriate spring loaded bearings and nothing has fixed it. The non-LCI 15 degree .40 extractor and non-LCI spring loaded bearing made ejection a little bit better but ejection is still erratic.
SGT Duffman, a member of this forum, was one of the first people to receive the new 30274 9mm ejectors. He had also tried an older LCI 9mm extractor and it didn't fix the ejection, only the new ejector fixed the ejection for him. Of everyone who had the ejection problem and got the new ejector installed in their gun, 100% report that the new ejector fixed the problem.
I've tried replacing my extractor and trigger housing w/ejector and the extractor did make a small difference, but the gun still ejects erratically. From what I can see comparing the spent casings from my G23 which ejects fine and my G27 which has erratic ejection, in the G27 the extractor isn't holding the rim of the casing to the breech face so the casing is allowed to turn and drop lower before the ejector hits it. The casing pivots right and scrapes against the slide at the case mouth just below the ejection port opening, then pivots upward and the rim comes out from under the extractor claw early, then the casing bounces around in the ejection port any number of ways. The new ejector has a rearward tilt to the face of it which raises the case mouth of the casing earlier during ejection, plus the face of the ejector is taller from top to bottom so that no matter how far down the casing drops - the ejector will act on it in the same manner.
My own personal theory as to the cause is that the cut-out in the slide for the extractor is machined too far forward toward the muzzle so the extractor isn't holding the rim of the casing to the breech face. Using the same extractor in the slides of both of my guns with a spent casing that has the primer punched out and the spent casing manually pushed against the breech face, I can see that there's more of the gap between the extractor claw and breech face in the G27 slide.
I've tried different 1882(old) ejectors and .40 LCI and non-LCI extractors with the appropriate spring loaded bearings and nothing has fixed it. The non-LCI 15 degree .40 extractor and non-LCI spring loaded bearing made ejection a little bit better but ejection is still erratic.
SGT Duffman, a member of this forum, was one of the first people to receive the new 30274 9mm ejectors. He had also tried an older LCI 9mm extractor and it didn't fix the ejection, only the new ejector fixed the ejection for him. Of everyone who had the ejection problem and got the new ejector installed in their gun, 100% report that the new ejector fixed the problem.
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