Ruger Security Six - Re-barrel with Colt Python or King Cobra Barrel (Questions)

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I have Pythons, which I love. And I have Security Sixes, which I love. I don't really see where this makes a better looking Security Six. Does it really shoot that well? I guess it's always fun to build stuff. But sorry, to me it looks like a nice apple with a banana stuck into the side of it. I like bananas and apples but,,,I still don't get it.

One thing is for sure. You can learn about everything here on THR.
 
Pythons have .355 bores, not .357, and that is one of the reasons they are so accurate.

Now put that .355 bore on a Ruger Security Six.... might make a very accurate gun.

Wonder if I can find a 3 inch stainless Python barrel.... Might be kind of hard!

Deaf
 
I don't think the 3" ever came in SS....Of course, you could always make a 3" out of an 8". Heck, while we're burning money, we might as well throw another double fist full of hundreds on the fire....LOL.
 
well my franken-cougar is about to start.

I'm selling a King Cobra basically to fund this, plus buy a few other toys. As soon as that sells I'm going to take to my gunsmith. It will be a 8" barrel with a target front sight "no orange".

I traded my stainless security six for a blued one to keep the metal finish consistent. Not sure if I'm going to have it reblued, nickeled, or hard chromed. I'm thinking hard chromed only cause I wan't to be able to take this gun outdoors and have it last.

So everyone stay tuned. Pictures to follow in the coming months.
 
Selling a KC to put an 8" Colt barrel on a Ruger?...I would have just sold the KC if it had a shorter barrel and found an 8 incher.
 
CPE,

I would do the same thing. Only see disadvantages to the conversion over your plan.

Still, the OP likes to tinker, modify and customize.

Personally I get that. Which is why I am planning on putting a v8 into a Miata instead of purchasing an Exige.
 
I agree it would be a waste of money. BUT some people have the money to do anything they fancy. If you're one of those, where money is no object, I suspect you can find someone to do what you want.

I don't know whether "Cougars" can deliver accuracy-wise or not. I do know, however, that when S&W produced their 686s, they did so with the intention of cleaning the clocks of the Pythons. And in initial tests, the 686s lived up to it. They were fired free hand and in Ransom Rests and they gave Pythons a run for their money. NOW whether they're still built to exacting standards, I know not; however, the first 686s were gorgeous. They had chrome plated hammers and triggers and beautiful wood grips. They also had astoundingly good actions. Now the stainless finish on these guns appear to be done with apes using sandpaper, and the hammers and triggers are brown and ugly. Oh, and the grips, while wildly functional, are unattractive. The sights are all tapped on and as for the action, it's still pretty good.

Some have taken the barrels from 686s and put them on Rugers ("Smoogers"), but I haven't heard much of barrel swapping much these days. I do know that the 686s are still regarded as more accurate guns than the GP-100s. I'm still a fan of the original Security-Six as it has great pointability (I'm not a huge fan of underlug barrels).

There's also a wildly expensive Ruger copy, the Manurhin MR88. I don't know why it commands the big bucks it does, but you might see if you can get one of those barrels if there's anything special about them. There's also the Korth, which is probably the most expensive magnum in the world. Why? Who knows?
 
Yeah just so everyone understands my intentions. I'm not specifically selling a KC to do this project. Trust me, I dam near passed out thinking about it over & over if I want to keep it or sell it.

I ended up trading away my S&W 1911 for the KC. Originally I wanted a 6in KC. Not many offers were coming up. Ok none. Until a 2.5" offer came up. IMHO, I did pretty good in the trade.

And now that I realized a 2.5" KC is somewhat rare, I'm seeing $$$$. I don't really collect guns anymore. I want something more utility that I can carry and play with, not worry about devaluing it. The KC is better deserved in the hands of a collector. And that's not me.

Coincidentally I have a Cougar project I want to get off the ground. Also, kind of need to pay a couple bills. Hell maybe even pickup another CC piece.

Reasons to want to build a Cougar?

1. Ruger frame will handle steady diet of magnums. Well more so than a Python. Just personal opinion on that one.
2. I love the look of the Python. Its my favorite. But I would never own one, cause I want something I can play with.
3. Its been said above, I like to tinker with guns. I want a gun that is unique.

So if I'm passing up a rare gun to build a rare gun, don't sound to crazy to me.
 
Hey Doc, it is not as though you are taking a KC and filling it with MIM parts and a Smith style IL.

You are making something that tickles your fancy. I wouldn't do it. But that is why they call it "custom".

I hope that you love the results.
 
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Hey Doc, it is not as though you are taking a KC and filling it with MIM parts and a Smith style IL.

No, because to do so you'd have to first remove the King Cobra's non-forged, sintered-metal lock work that Guillermo is either unaware of or completely willing to overlook while endlessly bashing S&W for using basically the same technology.

I ended up trading away my S&W 1911 for the KC. Originally I wanted a 6in KC. Not many offers were coming up. Ok none. Until a 2.5" offer came up. IMHO, I did pretty good in the trade.

I'd say you came out ahead in the deal. I also have a 2.5" King Cobra and it is a hell of revolver. Not exactly growing on trees, they are.
 
BUT some people have the money to do anything they fancy.
Do NOT assume that folks who have custom guns built do so because they have piles of cash laying around and can't find anything better to do with it. Some things are worth saving your money for and some shooters are willing to do so.
 
The man wants what he wants and is willing to create it.

I applaud that


Shear, it is true that sintered metal was used by Colt in many of their later revolvers. The process they used was similar to current MIM and was essentially a predecessor thereof.

It is also true that Rugers and Rohms both have cast frames and are therefore similar.

It's all in the execution.
 
Shear, it is true that sintered metal was used by Colt in many of their later revolvers. The process they used was similar to current MIM and was essentially a predecessor thereof.

It is also true that Rugers and Rohms both have cast frames and are therefore similar.

It's all in the execution.

It's all in the execution, sure. However, we don't have any hard numbers with which to judge that execution. All we have is anecdotal carping.

Colt discontinued its Mark III/IV/V series of revolvers in the late 90s, right as S&W was ramping up their MIM lockwork. These events coincided with people's newfound ability to complain about their guns (along with everything else) on the internet. Due to an accident of timing Colt's sintered lock work revolvers were able to escape internet scrutiny and be elevated to the near rabid level of posthumous sanctification often rewarded to discontinued guns. S&W's DA revolvers, produced in greater numbers than Colt's ever were, live on.

I work in a data driven field and bristle when I hear people trying to substitute anecdotes for data. There is simply no proof, none, that Colt's sintered lock work was any better than S&W's current MIM parts.

But, hell, if you want anecdotes, here's one: as I write this my beloved King Cobra is currently back at the factory to repair a timing issue. The problem: the sintered metal hand has worn. Because of the production method, the hand cannot be repaired. It must be replaced. The new part cannot be fitted, either. The factory has to go through a drawer full of King Cobra hands and find one that gibes with the rest of the lockwork.

Do I hate Colt's sintered parts based on this first hand experience? Hell no! I've had forged cylinder hands repaired/replaced for the same reason. Point being: the plural of "anecdote" ain't "data".

To the OP: you've got yourself a great gun. Enjoy it!
 
Shear,

Any idea how many rounds it took to wear the hand in your gun?....Just wondering, I have one that has well over 20k rounds thru it, with a large portion of them being hot 125 JHP's She's still tight as new.
 
Shear,

Any idea how many rounds it took to wear the hand in your gun?....Just wondering, I have one that has well over 20k rounds thru it, with a large portion of them being hot 125 JHP's She's still tight as new.

Good question--I'm not sure. I bought the gun used and it was made in the late 1980s. Looks like the previous owner had a bit of a dry firing fetish, but who knows. The King Cobra is built hell for stout, but I guess things happen.

I just brought it up to illustrate a point about individual internet stories not being all that representative of reality for the vast majority of guns.
 
Shear,

We know that the wheels were falling off of the Colt Bus at the end.

We also know that comparing types of manufacturing is fraught with peril. You did mention a similar process in your comparison, but they are hardly identical. (they are a whole lot closer than the silly folks that try to suggest that MIM is great because it is used in aircraft turbines)

I have, on many occasions, said that a molding process could be equal to forged. The way S&W does it currently it is not.

The Colt sintered parts were softer and therefore less brittle. Were they perfect...nope. Were they to put a hard layer over a softer, more flexible core they could make a part as good as forged. (the inverse concept of damascus)

I shant defend either one. But given a choice I would prefer the less brittle.
 
I have a video of me shooting my Coger this week - but I'm not nearly as accurate as the gun - need to practice a lot more - maybe a lesson - but my big question now is what kind of holster. Generally Ruger Security-Six's can fit nicely in a K-Frame S&W, but with the Python barrel, i'm not sure. I'm looking for a pancake or inside the belt though I'm not opposed to outside either. I've read that a poor holster can ruin the bluing in just one use. And you can see - picture above that its almost perfect right now.
 
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