What do you think is the best bang for your buck 22lr brand?

Not bad, next time add in some targets that you shot to give visuals of comparable accuracy. Not exactly how I would have rated them, but thats what that opinion stuff is for. Based on your three criterion, I would put Federal Automatch in the front, and might have some aguila mixed in there somewhere. Remington would not touch my list, but it works for some people just not in any of my guns.

There are guns that will shoot golden bullets or wildcat's or.. or ... some cheap bulk box ammo like a laser beam and throw premium target ammo like a shotgun patterns.

Other not so
really depends on what your gun likes.

Nice video. My Savage MKll will shoot it all pretty accurately, but it seems to like the Remington stuff the best. I stay away from the Winchester stuff because it doesn't like to feed right in my Savage or my Ruger MKll. The CCI stuff is nice, but if you're just an avid plinker like me, the Remington stuff goes a lot further for cheaper.

Your opinion is light on hard data, but it is presented as your opinion. I am like you in the bang for the buck, best overall value. I don't really want to buy match ammo. I really don't care what ammo looks like.
I have found Remington GB's to perform the best in some recent shooting. This was confirmed through shooting from 25 to 200yds and then we chronoed. The chrono was done last. Result down range mean more to me than chrono numbers. However it was with a pair of Kimber 82g's so that doesn't show what works in a Marlin 60, 10-22, etc. I don't think a person can count on bulk pack to deliver the same results at a different point in time. I am going to finish up all of the straggler boxes of a variety I have soon. Next I will be rotating my stock on ammo I bought from the same lots. I have a bunch of Federal coming up.
It just comes down to what is available locally for me. I figure I know if I am shooting well or not. I just try to shoot my best on every shot.

I shoot whatever is on sale or the cheapest. I do try to avoid Remington because of the misfires. The cheap ammo shoots just fine in my guns, rifle or pistol, with acceptable accuracy.....chris3

I must apologize in advance because I'm going to pick your review apart. Exactly what testing was done to come to these conclusions??? How many rounds were fired through how many guns? Did you base this on two boxes of Federal and one box of Remington in one rifle? Do you really think it's a fair comparison to include Eley and CCI Mini-Mags? It is not. By the brick, Mini-Mags cost at least 50% more than the bulk loads listed. I can buy Federal for $16.50/525rds if I buy it by the case. Mini-Mags are double that. I won't even get into how silly it is to compare Eley match to bulk ammo. Who cares how shiny the brass is???

I would counter with:

Federal bulk - This is a good load. It functions well in most guns and is good for plinking. It tends to be quite accurate for a bulk load. It is, however, a very poor game load. It has only a dimple on its nose, yet is advertised as a hollowpoint. On game it acts like a solid. It also runs well below advertised velocity and does not cycle some semi-autos. My Ciener conversion will not run on it. My Ruger 22/45RP does not care for it either. I can get the best price on it at $16.50/525rds when I buy a case so I keep some on hand for blasting. This is Federal 745, not the stuff from Walmart.

Remington GB bulk - Folks like to poop on it but I always feel the urge to come to its defense. It is an excellent load. It runs close to advertised velocity. It has a real hollowpoint and is a great game load. It even expands at pistol velocities. I have taken truckloads of game and varmints with them. It is acceptably reliable, no more or less than any other bulk load. A would estimate a failure rate of less than 1%. It cycles all my semi-autos, the Ciener runs 100% on them. Accuracy is typicallly very good for a bulk .22LR load.

CCI Mini-Mags - Excellent load, I don't ever remember having a malfunction with CCI. It runs close to advertised velocity, cycles semi-autos and is a great game load. Only downfall is cost. As stated, it is 50% more than most other bulk loads.

All .22LR is dirty, especially bulk. I find Remington to be no more or less than any other. I'm about to have to break down and clean my #1 10/22. It thrives on Remington GB's and feeds on nothing else. This is one of my most-used rifles. Good for 1000rds last week alone. Probably another 500rds this week. It has been three years and probably a good 20,000rds since its last cleaning.

All this based on 30yrs worth of shooting. At a rate of 2000-3000rds a month of Remington bulk over the last five years. Reliability and accuracy testing in nearly three dozen varying .22LR firearms. Thousands of dead critters and tens upon tens of thousands of rounds sent downrange.

Not one rifle and three boxes. What folks fail to realize is that every .22LR is a law unto itself. There is no way to predict how any gun will shoot with any given load. The proof is in the shooting. One rifle that does not like one load proves nothing but the very obvious. That one rifle does not like one load. I tried a box of Winchester Xpert and it did not do well in several guns. I just didn't going spewing forth all over the internet that the ammo was garbage. This is what happens when folks get all their shooting education from the internet. Books are good, read a few.

I love CCI Mini Mags. I just don't shoot enough for their price to be a factor.

I get pretty good performance/cost from Aguila. I've also got boxes of old Western Auto and other store brands that shoot well enough. Depends on the rifle. Most of my Remington 22's don't run that well on their own ammo brand. My target grade rifles seem to like old Winchester T-22 the best, but I'm running low

To me you presented it with full disclosure as to the fact it was your opinion. While I did mention "hard data", the data may still be misinterpreted, incomplete or just too small a sample size any way. Some of the science project type of stuff get's bogged down. I feel "seat of the pants" has it's place.
I have no problem dealing in generalities. I am also like you in that FTF's on .22lr.s are a training opportunity.

You will hear:
-Train like you fight. Then nobody want Failures on a training tool.
-All .22's are different. Yet you are obviously wrong if your findings are not what mine are. Couldn't be me. Definitely not my shooting. You are doing something wrong if you concluded "X"

I would probably agree with you on many things. Having a sensible discussion is always a pleasure.

I have no problem with generalities or opinions and welcome both. I just think you owe it to whoever is watching to disclose exactly 'how' you came about your conclusions. Only then can the viewer decide how much creedence to lend the findings. Otherwise, it's just an empty opinion with no substance. More fuel for rumors which is more harm than good. You don't have to get bogged down with facts, numbers, charts and graphs but hell, at least tell us what your conclusion is based on.

Craig,
I totally agree. Proclamations should be backed up. Saying "I don't like" or "it didn't work for my application" is cool and that is all the proof I need. Saying that "friends don't let friend by Rem GB's" is doing a disservice. I have had good & bad from all brands.
Conclusion based on what is useful. Range, gun, setup etc. would be useful. It won't necessarily apply to the next guys.

I do feel that even though this is the internet the OP's opinion and findings are useful. No need to hammer on the guy. I just have different results, needs and opinions than him. Doesn't make him wrong and doesn't make right. Doesn't make me right either. They are his opinions so who am I to say he is wrong.

GB's have so many bad reviews it makes me wonder. If I didn't think for myself I wouldn't know they work the best for me right now. I also like the hollow points on them. I truly believe the lube on them that everybody complains about is part of why they work. (for me anyway)

CCI SV or Winchester Dyanpoint GT, either from Dick's Sporting Goods.

For less expensive, Federal bulk pack from Wal-Mart seems to work pretty well though I haven't used enough to definitively tell accuracy & reliability.

Going to try some CCI Blazer next...seems to be well-regarded ammo.

My target grade rifles seem to like old Winchester T-22 the best, but I'm running low

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My Smith 41 liked the T-22 too. Problem is, I could not get it to go off enough. If I’m shooting a match and during the timed or rapid fire stages means a alibi round. On a alibi, you get to count the ten lower shot scores. If your shooting all tens then no problem. CCI Standard doesn’t shoot as well but I’ve had 2 fail to fire in about 15000 rounds. I don’t mess with a brick; I buy it by the case.

My rifles don’t care much for the Federal bulk either. With the CCI standard I shot an almost as small of group with my rock stock Remington 552 Speed Master as my SIL did with his fancy Dan 10-22. He wasn’t happy at all. I’ve had reasonable luck with CCI Standard in a Winny 52. Not so much in a Winny 61.

It really depends on what your rifle likes.

All my rifles run like tops on Remington Golden Bullet Bulk Packs, and they are about as cheap as it gets... so that is the best "bang for my buck."

However, some of my friend's rifles (AR conversions in particular) will just flat out not shoot the stuff. I've seen rifles get stovepipes every 3rd round on Golden Bullets. These same friends' rifles seem to run great on Federal Bulk. I have just about the inverse with Federal in my rifles... lots of stovepipes. But my Ruger 10/22s and Marlin 795 eat Golden Bullets like candy. So does the CZ-452, but being a bolt, it will eat anything that will fit in the chamber!

So in short, when you get a new rifle, you just have to buy a few boxes of different types of ammo to see what yours likes. If you're looking for dirt cheap ammo that will maybe shoot 2 or 3 MOA, I'd try Federal and Remington Golden Bullets. In my experience, if a rifle doesn't like one, it will like the other. And if it doesn't like either one, it usually won't like any of the nicer stuff either, and has some sort of mechanical issue that needs to be worked out (like my dad's Marlin 795, for which I had to polish the feed ramp and inside of the chamber to get it to run on ANYTHING).

I'll pile on the GB haters: my 60-year old Win Mdl 75 shoots Remington Thunderbolt (is there a cheaper 22 ammo?!) not-quite-but-almost as accurately as Federal and Aquila match.....and over 20+ years I have yet to have a mis-fire.

Kind of makes me wonder if there are some firearms issues, rather than the ammo. Or....(and this would never happen on the internet, would it?!)....there are lots of webxaggerations....

This CZ452FS shoots MOA with Remington GB's. Average for five consecutive, five-shot groups at 50yds is a hair under a half inch. This with a little Leupold 1-4x set parallax free at 100yds. Wolf MT does only a tenth of an inch better but is obviously more consistent.

My 10-22 stovepipes remington bulk ammo, also my 22/45.
The 77-22 varmint dosnt care one way or the other but gives
better groups with win. bulk ammo.
The only gun that gets fed the rem bulk I have left is
my single six. It seems to like it.

Best bang for the 22 buck is CCI Blazers. Reliable, economical, accurate.

I like the Federal bulk packs from cabelas. My savage MKII and 15-22 shoot them well

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoo...=SBC;MMcat104792580;cat104691780;cat104536080

ball3006 said:

I do try to avoid Remington because of the misfires.

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Are you talking about current production ammunition? I very much doubt it since Remington .22LR ammunition is incredibly reliable these days with a failure rate way below 1% ... in fact, if your firearm is in good working order, I doubt you'll see a misfire in 1,000 rounds let alone 100.

Are you talking about current production ammunition? I very much doubt it since Remington .22LR ammunition is incredibly reliable these days with a failure rate way below 1% ... in fact, if your firearm is in good working order, I doubt you'll see a misfire in 1,000 rounds let alone 100.

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I agree that Remington GBs don't misfire at all like they did a few years ago. But they are still a pretty dirty ammo.

I have a old pawn shop Marlin 60 that prefers it. But it does have to get cleaned more than others 60s shooting different ammo.

I have many .22s and each one has to go through a process to find the ammo that it likes.

CZguy said:

I agree that Remington GBs don't misfire at all like they did a few years ago. But they are still a pretty dirty ammo.

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A cleaner burning, self-lubricating powder would be a plus ... no doubt about it. But if some fouling doesn't cause function issues, then the Remington is hard to beat if you're looking for "the best bang for your buck".