Ragnar Danneskjold
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That about sums it up. The AR has been in the hands of soldiers saving other soldiers for half a century. If that's not something for grown-ups, I don't know what is.
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Am I the only one that thinks these are ugly?
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That about sums it up. The AR has been in the hands of soldiers saving other soldiers for half a century. If that's not something for grown-ups, I don't know what is.
I might have been a little harsh in my earlier reply.
But they are the most proven rifle in the world. I believe they are our longest-serving rifle, and they will likely be in service for another fifty years. Even if something like the LSAT program gets started up again, there is little if any reason to abandon the AR. Caseless ammunition will be what gets us a new service caliber, and it might not neccessarily be chambered in a different rifle.
But they are the most proven rifle in the world. I believe they are our longest-serving rifle, and they will likely be in service for another fifty years. Even if something like the LSAT program gets started up again, there is little if any reason to abandon the AR. Caseless ammunition will be what gets us a new service caliber, and it might not neccessarily be chambered in a different rifle.
Creature
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I find that there is great beauty in utility and functional simplicity.
doubleh
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Back to the OP which was about looks, they aren't particularly good looking but they are head and shoulders better than any of the other battle rifles in their class.
Chris-bob
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I can't deny that they shoot very well. I have a hard time getting over the ugly factor for their cost. For the $700-1500, I could buy 1 more very nice hunting rifle with great optics...and I would love the look a lot more than an AR.
I do thank those that posted why they like them and own them due to their looks(whether you consider them ugly or not)
Helps me to understand a little more.
I do thank those that posted why they like them and own them due to their looks(whether you consider them ugly or not)
Helps me to understand a little more.
Mike1234567
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I'd sure like to see this one with the metal bits duracoated bronze or copper... something to go better with the wood.
Replace the terrible "carry handle" with a flat top and some kind of optic or a decent BUIS and you are in business.
There is your answer. There is nothing wrong with not liking the AR. Your know it for what it is, but it just doesn't do anything for you. Nothing wrong with that.
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Gtimothy
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If you live in an area where you spend half the year huddled inside because it's too damn cold to go shooting, the pretty long guns with the custom furniture and engraving would be nice to stare at...BUT, where I live, if I want to grab a gun and shoot on the spur of the moment to vent, I grab one of my AR's! Cheap ammo, reliability and ease of cleaning (gas pistons in all of them) make it a beautiful gun to me. The safe queens stay at home unless I'm trying to impress some of my friends or family! ; )
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RevGeo
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I thought they were ugly when one was first shoved into my hands in 1971 and I think they are ugly now. Servicable? Yup. Functional? Yup. But the original question wasn't about that, it was about whether the rifle is ugly and it is truly ugly. But there have been lots of ugly service arms - Uzis, BARs, Schmeissers, Mosins..Form may follow function but ugly will always be ugly.
mgmorden
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More like rifles people get based on what they DO, rather than how they look.
I'd actually put the immaturity on the one who would berate the choice of a another person's tool because it isn't pretty enough . . .
Personally, I like mine. Its accurate and it works. If I could only make one complaint its that the stock design doesn't allow me to shoot it using earmuffs (which I typically prefer). I have to switch over to plugs to shoot the AR.
mljdeckard
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Apparently it has enough fans that it doesn't matter if YOU think it's ugly.
If you don't like it, there are unlimited ways you can change it. For ME, it's not the LOOK of the A-1 era rifle I don't like, it's the creaky, jiggly handguards I had on my rifle in basic.
If you don't like it, there are unlimited ways you can change it. For ME, it's not the LOOK of the A-1 era rifle I don't like, it's the creaky, jiggly handguards I had on my rifle in basic.
justice06rr
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OP, that is the old style AR's from decades ago. The newer AR15's have come a long way and look much nicer.
Honda Civic? not really.
The Military uses them, and they use Hummers not civics. Sorry that is a misconception IMO. Civic to me would be like the Glock.
Honda Civic? not really.
The Military uses them, and they use Hummers not civics. Sorry that is a misconception IMO. Civic to me would be like the Glock.
rskent
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They may be a little light in the looks department on the outside but they are beautiful on the inside
where it counts. When you are looking through the sights is when they really shine. That’s when the
excellent ergonomics come to play. I can’t believe they still make any other style of rifle. I know I won’t
be buying anything other than an AR any time soon.
Steve
where it counts. When you are looking through the sights is when they really shine. That’s when the
excellent ergonomics come to play. I can’t believe they still make any other style of rifle. I know I won’t
be buying anything other than an AR any time soon.
Steve
MrDig
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of course they are ugly but that doesn't mean I wouldn't own one. that particular configuration is the one I trained on in 1977 at Fort Dix New Jersey.
I know I can't own one with the selector switch that I trained on but that doesn't mean I wouldn't own the civilian model.
I know I can't own one with the selector switch that I trained on but that doesn't mean I wouldn't own the civilian model.
Steel Horse Rider
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I guess you should be the "choice czar" and determine what all people should have by your preferences. I believe there are more than one country who either have this option or have fallen into the dust bin of history using that option which is why we have 1930's motorcycle technology by the name or Ural....
CraigC
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I'm sorry but actually using guns with nice wood and nice finishes has only become a foreign concept in the last few years. The condescending attitude that "pretty" guns are more for looking at that using is completely unfounded. Hard use wasn't invented for ugly guns.
You guys can say what you want about utility and that you don't care about what they look like but I guarantee no one would own an AR if they didn't think it looked cool. Maybe "beauty" is not the proper term but if you didn't like they way they looked, you wouldn't own them. I certainly wouldn't own mine if I didn't like the way it looked.
R.W.Dale
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I'm sorry but actually using guns with nice wood and nice finishes has only become a foreign concept in the last few years. The condescending attitude that "pretty" guns are more for looking at that using is completely unfounded. Hard use wasn't invented for ugly guns.
You guys can say what you want about utility and that you don't care about what they look like but I guarantee no one would own an AR if they didn't think it looked cool. Maybe "beauty" is not the proper term but if you didn't like they way they looked, you wouldn't own them. I certainly wouldn't own mine if I didn't like the way it looked.
You couldn't be more wrong.
I like my ar primarily because it handles and shoots so well. I wouldn't own it if it didn't irreguardless of looks.
A fine example of this is the Browning blr! A beautiful rifle that's finely finished but I wont own because it handles with the svelte grace of a waterlogged mop w a broken handle.
I think you're missing out on some great shooting experiences with some great rifles because you can't look beyond the visual.
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CraigC
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I think you couldn't be reading my post more wrong. Try again.
jmstevens2
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They did 50 years ago when they were as new as those you cite. You need to use perspective.
R.W.Dale
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We've all read your close minded opinionated drivel just fine thank you very much.
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jmstevens2
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Oh, how I want an A1 !! That is the first rifle I ever trained on at Ft Bang Bang. Loved it ever since.Yeah as a Jeep owner look up amc's contribution to the Jeep during the brief time they called the shots
Lets just say that things got so bad that Chrysler's ownership actually IMPROVED things.
Amc's claim to fame was making some of the absolute baddest vehicles around that unfortunately had a habit of either falling apart or "returning to the earth" within 4 years.
As to ugly. I don't think so.
I rather like the aesthetics and slim lines.
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Gtimothy
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I never said I don't shoot the "Queens". I've been given VERY nice guns by my father, but they are used very little. I enjoy having them, but every gun that I have BOUGHT for myself, gets shot regularly. I consider a gun a tool and I don't buy tools to hang on a peg in the garage. That being said, my guns tend to show that they are shooters so breaking out the commeratives and antiques really doesn't happen that often.I'm sorry but actually using guns with nice wood and nice finishes has only become a foreign concept in the last few years. The condescending attitude that "pretty" guns are more for looking at that using is completely unfounded. Hard use wasn't invented for ugly guns.
You guys can say what you want about utility and that you don't care about what they look like but I guarantee no one would own an AR if they didn't think it looked cool. Maybe "beauty" is not the proper term but if you didn't like they way they looked, you wouldn't own them. I certainly wouldn't own mine if I didn't like the way it looked.
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