Epic fail**** don't be this guy*** graphic pics

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NOT an idiot...

Did he or did he not press a loaded pistol against his body and pull the trigger?
 
I'm with you Warp. Anyone who points a gun at themselves and pulls the trigger is a drooling moron. I've had a ND when I was young and stupid, I admit, but I wasn't intentionally pointing the gun at myself.

That being said, there is no teacher like experience and I hope the guy recovers with full use of his arm. I'm sure he will not make the same mistake again.
 
Makes you wonder if somewhere deep in this guys psyche there's a desire to take huge risks. Life or death type risks. That or he's just an idiot.
 
Either way, whatever his background with guns----------100% Darwin Award Winner, I have no empathy for people like that.

People can quote their "4 rules of safety" all they want, as I've seen on this thread. But not applying some common sense to the situation seems to have led to this injury. You can make all the golden rules you want for gun safety, still comes down to the "common sense" to follow them.
 
Please, take a moment and realize, that this guy THOUGHT he was going to be OK
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So did those teenage boys that thought they would be okay ripping through town at 90MPH, are they not idiots as well? One Cop thought it would be okay to leave his revolver in the open center console where his son got it and shot his sister with it, was he not an idiot too?
 
alsaqr said:
During the runup to Desert Storm a USMC lieutenant was teaching a class on the model 1911. To demonstrate the out of battery safety he shoved a loaded gun hard against his head. Yep, he died.

That incident is in Gen'l. Schwartzkoph's book.
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When I was in the Seabees back in the '70s a similar story was going around. Only in that story the instructor blew a hole in his hand.
 
this guy THOUGHT he was going to be OK
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I think that he thought several things that weren't so.

He thought that the disconnect's function was preventing firing out of battery. It's not.

A functioning, within spec disconnect will keep the pistol from firing about .050-.060 inch out of battery...but its function is connecting the trigger and sear, and then getting out of the way to let the sear reset.

He thought he had the pistol far enough out of battery to keep it from firing. He didn't.

If he'd had it as much as .080 inch out of battery it likely couldn't have fired...regardless of the disconnect. At .090-.100 inch out, it surely couldn't have. The hammer can't hit the firing pin with the slide .100 inch out of battery. It's blocked by the bottom of the firing pin stop.

I'm going to venture a guess that the slide wasn't out of battery at all. He only thought it was. Easy to make that assumption when pushing it into yielding flesh.

Deliberately pointing a cocked, loaded gun at any part of one's body and testing the "safety" by pulling the trigger is an insanely stupid thing to do. He'll have a reminder of that for the rest of his days.
 
Well he's an idiot or he's not an idiot. I believe the story, others don't. All these things aside I'm glad this thread was posted. Pictures like the ones linked here are a good way of reminding me not to become complacent. Sometimes I think that's all it amounts to.

After decades of gun ownership I don't notice the gun I'm carrying. I'm sure the injured gentleman knew the rules. He just ignored them. Perhaps he went twenty or thirty years without a problem. Those that say stuff happens are also correct. It happens when we become so casual about a dangerous object we fail to focus. A lack of discipline for a moment can cause a lot of damage.

I don't want to be to critical of the guy. I just want to have enough discipline not to be him.
 
We each have good days and bad days; we hope the preparation we do allows us to get through each.

If I do not fell in top form or I am a little bit tired, I refrain from my more dangerous activities. Motorcycling and guns falls into the activities I consider worthy of my being in top form.

Lapses are always possible, though the described incident is more than a lapse or a bad day. It is a lack of respect for the possibilities.
 
An 'accident' occurs when there are unforeseen consequences of engaging in an activity. Being struck by an asteroid while mowing the grass would be an example. When the foreseeable occurs while engaged in a known dangerous activity, it's not an accident. Losing ones fingers by placing them under the deck of a running lawn mower would be an example of that.

Anyone injuring themselves in this fashion, has no one to blame but themselves.
 
Accidents are just that. A random occurrence of events that has no foreseeable outcome. Shooting oneself in this manner is stupidity, not accidental. An accident would be he was on the firing line and a bull elephant crashed into him sending him flailing from the blow and in the shock of the moment and randomness that the gun was pointed at a body part and the clenching and twisting caused the gun to go off.
 
An 'accident' occurs when there are unforeseen consequences of engaging in an activity. Being struck by an asteroid while mowing the grass would be an example. When the foreseeable occurs while engaged in a known dangerous activity, it's not an accident. Losing ones fingers by placing them under the deck of a running lawn mower would be an example of that.

Anyone injuring themselves in this fashion, has no one to blame but themselves.
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Where did you read that someone else was being blamed?

Accidents are just that. A random occurrence of events that has no foreseeable outcome. Shooting oneself in this manner is stupidity, not accidental.
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Actually, this is still a type of accident that most gun owners would call being negligent. We talk about "accidental discharges" which are due to mechanical issues and not the result of the trigger being pulled and "negligent discharges" when the trigger is pulled and the gun discharges unexpectedly.
 
I feel sorry for the guy, as his arm will never be the same.

What was he thinking sticking a loaded gun into his arm.... *face palm*
 
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Where did you read that someone else was being blamed?



Actually, this is still a type of accident that most gun owners would call being negligent. We talk about "accidental discharges" which are due to mechanical issues and not the result of the trigger being pulled and "negligent discharges" when the trigger is pulled and the gun discharges unexpectedly.
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I see my effort to be tactful was wasted. Let me put it a little less delicately then.

In a world full of people who are injured or ill through no fault of their own, I feel no sympathy for a dipstick who shot himself while doing something stupid. I'm just glad he didn't shoot someone else.
 
Quote= "I'm just glad he didn't shoot someone else."

He DID shoot someone else.... The bullet, upon exiting his arm, then passed thru the arm of a bystander and then entered his gut and lodged in the small intestine.

> This is what happens when one plays with firearms!
 
I have seen this in the safety portfolio of Scot Reitz at ITTS before . BTW Uncle Scotti has Zero injury accidents in all the years and the 10s of thousands of trainees he has had. Iron clad safety with no secret training methods is the key.After all what kind of a shooting class need to be taught about fraction of inchout of battery on 1911s?:banghead: They need to be taught handgun retension positions maybe with a single sentence to avoid muzzle contact along with other reasons to keep gun back from subject. All ways the little secret trick that causes trouble!:rolleyes:
 
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He DID shoot someone else.... The bullet, upon exiting his arm, then passed thru the arm of a bystander and then entered his gut and lodged in the small intestine.
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I confess I didn't read the article, just the comments in this thread, and I missed that part. He's a double dipstick then, because his stupidity hurt someone else.
 
I wonder how many times he played show and tell before fate stopped giving him a pass.

Texas huh, I wonder if "Here, hold my beer and watch this" was heard prior to the gunshot.
 
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