LooseGrouper
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I took a CCW class yesterday that had a little "CQB" training thrown in at the end, and I wanted to share my experience and see what everyone thinks.
The class consisted of (1)a fairly long video (circa 1985) that discussed the use of deadly force, (2)discussion (by the instructor) on when/where/how/why to care including the laws of multiple states, (3)a brief primer on safe gunhandling, (3)instruction/demonstration of touch-distance defensive shooting, and (4)a brief shooting session to practice.
First, the movie was long and cheesy, but informative and useful. That pretty much says it all for the video.
Second, the instructor-led discussion was informative, but at times disturbing. The instructor told us that he had been involved in 20-plus shootings resulting in 23 dead folks. Apparently he was a "private contractor" of some sort...never got the full story. The part that bothered me was that he had allegedly fought/killed 3 ATF agents (at the same time
) and one NYC police chief. I guess those must have been mistaken identity/failure-to-properly identify incidents be cause he claimed (somewhat glibbly, it seemed to me) that he had never been charged. Not really sure what I think about his claims. I have plenty of reasons to believe him and zero not to, except for the spectacular nature of the claims.
Another part that disturbed me was the brevity of the primer on gun safety. It was about one minute long and consisted of "don't point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy...keep your finger off the trigger...guns people thought were empty kill folks all the time." I guess those things are the most important of the four rules, but a little more emphasis (in the classroom and on the range) would have made me feel better about shooting with those other folks later.
The shooting instruction was fairly unique. The method that was taught focused on the contact-distiance scenario. Here's the jist: Take a step back with the strong side foot so that your sholders are perpendicular to the attacker (think "summo" stance facing 90 degrees away from opponent). Simultaneous to the reward step, raise the weak arm into an overhead block while drawing with the strong hand. Place the butt of the pistol in the navel area and fire, using your shoulders to point. That's pretty much it. We practiced moving our torso instead of our hands to shoot three simultaneous attackers within contact distance. And yes, we were pretty much shooting across (and very close to) our bodies. Revlover shooters were issued aprons to avoid ruining a good shirt. It was a little disconcerting, but I have to admit that drawing and point shooting double taps on three targets was pretty fun.
So, that's it. I didn't mention any names/places because it's not my intent to flame anyone. I got alot out of the class, but parts of the class left me scratching my head. Since this was my first formal instruction every, I would like to hear from any of you instructors out there about the brevity of the safety talk, thoughts on the teaching/use of point shooting as described, etc.
Thanks.
LG
The class consisted of (1)a fairly long video (circa 1985) that discussed the use of deadly force, (2)discussion (by the instructor) on when/where/how/why to care including the laws of multiple states, (3)a brief primer on safe gunhandling, (3)instruction/demonstration of touch-distance defensive shooting, and (4)a brief shooting session to practice.
First, the movie was long and cheesy, but informative and useful. That pretty much says it all for the video.
Second, the instructor-led discussion was informative, but at times disturbing. The instructor told us that he had been involved in 20-plus shootings resulting in 23 dead folks. Apparently he was a "private contractor" of some sort...never got the full story. The part that bothered me was that he had allegedly fought/killed 3 ATF agents (at the same time
) and one NYC police chief. I guess those must have been mistaken identity/failure-to-properly identify incidents be cause he claimed (somewhat glibbly, it seemed to me) that he had never been charged. Not really sure what I think about his claims. I have plenty of reasons to believe him and zero not to, except for the spectacular nature of the claims.Another part that disturbed me was the brevity of the primer on gun safety. It was about one minute long and consisted of "don't point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy...keep your finger off the trigger...guns people thought were empty kill folks all the time." I guess those things are the most important of the four rules, but a little more emphasis (in the classroom and on the range) would have made me feel better about shooting with those other folks later.
The shooting instruction was fairly unique. The method that was taught focused on the contact-distiance scenario. Here's the jist: Take a step back with the strong side foot so that your sholders are perpendicular to the attacker (think "summo" stance facing 90 degrees away from opponent). Simultaneous to the reward step, raise the weak arm into an overhead block while drawing with the strong hand. Place the butt of the pistol in the navel area and fire, using your shoulders to point. That's pretty much it. We practiced moving our torso instead of our hands to shoot three simultaneous attackers within contact distance. And yes, we were pretty much shooting across (and very close to) our bodies. Revlover shooters were issued aprons to avoid ruining a good shirt. It was a little disconcerting, but I have to admit that drawing and point shooting double taps on three targets was pretty fun.
So, that's it. I didn't mention any names/places because it's not my intent to flame anyone. I got alot out of the class, but parts of the class left me scratching my head. Since this was my first formal instruction every, I would like to hear from any of you instructors out there about the brevity of the safety talk, thoughts on the teaching/use of point shooting as described, etc.
Thanks.
LG
