Can I mail a firearm to myself in another state?

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Brewster562

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Hey everyone I'm new here and I have a question. I am going to be moving from California to Buffalo, New York and I was wondering if there was any way I could mail my guns there? I have a shotgun, and a rifle. Or would I have to go through a FFL on both sides? I've heard that you can take them with your checked luggage on the plane but you need a hard guncase that locks, which I don't have. Any info helps thanks.
 
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8
 
Make sure that those guns meet NYS assault weapons compliance standards or are verifiably pre-ban.
 
Make sure that those guns meet NYS assault weapons compliance standards or are verifiably pre-ban.
Im pretty sure they meet the weapons compliance, Its just a Mossberg 500 and a Remington 22.
But im moving to my mothers and I know for a fact they have a mossberg 500 and a remington 870 as well as a .30-06 and a few other rifles, just wondering how I can legally get them there
 
You will want insurance. Personally, I like Fedex ground - MUCH better tracking system than USPS, generally faster, and the rates are about the same
 
You will want insurance. Personally, I like Fedex ground - MUCH better tracking system than USPS, generally faster, and the rates are about the same
So If I go FedEx Ground, just package it up safely and don't worry about saying anything to them?
 
So If I go FedEx Ground, just package it up safely and don't worry about saying anything to them?
By Federal law, if you use FedEX to ship firearms to yourself in a different state, you are required to notify them IN WRITING the shipment contains a firearm:

18 USC 922(e):
(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped;

If you mail the long guns via US Post Office, there is no legal requirement to notify them the shipment contains firearms because they are not a common or contract carrier.
 
By Federal law, if you use FedEX to ship firearms to yourself in a different state, you are required to notify them IN WRITING the shipment contains a firearm:

18 USC 922(e):


If you mail the long guns via US Post Office, there is no legal requirement to notify them the shipment contains firearms because they are not a common or contract carrier.
Thank You that helps alot. And they don't ask you whats in the box do they?
 
when you get a pre-paid label from a gun company it's always labeled as "machine parts." I don't know if it's a legal thing or something gun companies do.
 
Thank You that helps alot. And they don't ask you whats in the box do they?

USPS can ask. And they can also require you to open the package and prove the rifles/shotguns are unloaded:

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm

12.2 Rifles and Shotguns
Except under 12.1.1d and 12.1.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing under 12.1.1d. The following conditions also apply:

a. Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing. These items must bear a “Return Service Requested” endorsement, and must be sent by Express Mail (“signature required” must be used at delivery), Registered Mail, or must include either insured mail service (for more than $200) requiring a signature at delivery or Signature Confirmation service.

b. A shotgun or rifle owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner's state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the state, where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. These mailpieces must:

1. Be addressed to the owner.

2. Include the “in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian.

3. Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only.

4. Be mailed using services described in 12.2a..

c. Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a..

d. Except as described in 12.1.2a, licensed curio and relic collectors may mail firearms meeting the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 domestically to FFL licensed curio and relic collectors in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a..

e. Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without restriction.

f. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a are mailable. A shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an Adult Signature service under 503.9.0. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
 
One_Jackal said:
...when you get a pre-paid label from a gun company it's always labeled as "machine parts." I don't know if it's a legal thing or something gun companies do....
Got any evidence? In fact, that's not true. I've received pre-paid labels on a number of occasions, and they were not labeled as machine parts.
 
One_Jackal when you get a pre-paid label from a gun company it's always labeled as "machine parts." I don't know if it's a legal thing or something gun companies do.
I receive 150+ firearms each month............NEVER has any box ever had a label with "machine parts" on it.
 
Fed Ex will only ship to an FFL. UPS and USPS are ok for long guns.

From Fed Ex:
Firearms

Carrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or

http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rulestariff/prohibited_articles.html
 
UPS will also only ship to an FFL. I have gone through this research for an upcoming hunt. BATF may say its ok, but the carriers have their own set of requirements which contradict the law. It's a pita.

I've learned this through multiple calls to aft, fedex and ups.
 
I've had mixed interactions with USPS and long guns, the extremes being they just took the package and said "next", to having me sign a form swearing the gun isn't loaded, it depends to some degree which actual PO is used.

As far as taking it on the plane with you, that may be a good option. You can probably find a used locking case at the local pawnshop cheap, then just pay the checked bag fee if their is one. I've found travelling by air with guns to be uneventful so far.
 
Actually there was a conflict in the UPS web site. The firearms page said it's ok but their tariff page says no.

Apparently the discrepancy has been fixed:

UPS Web page:
Shipping Firearms
Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms
Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation only (a) between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), and government agencies and (b) where not otherwise prohibited by federal, state or local law (i) from an individual to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector; and (ii) from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to an individual. The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package.
Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).
UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm, firearm mufflers and silencers are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)
UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment.
Firearms (including handguns) and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally.
 
chutestrate .... but the carriers have their own set of requirements which contradict the law.....
The requirements of the carriers do not contradict Federal law, they are just more restrictive. There is a difference.
 
UPS and Fed Ex can prohibit a firearm from being shipped to anyone they choose no matter the Federal law. They are private companies.

Time for a FFL 03 C & R license.
 
Whether you use UPS or FedEx, make sure you print out their regs before you go to the store. Many employees don't know their own policies and will flat out tell you they don't ship firearms just so they won't have to deal with it. There is no uniform answer. Sometimes you might bring in a weapon one day and they say no. Bring it in after a shift change and its no issue.
 
You can't do either any longer. Read the quoted UPS regulations. No longer allowed. And you could NEVER ship through a UPS Store anyway. Fed Ex has not allowed this for quite a while. UPS has now changed their policy to match their Tariff regs.

From UPS Site:
Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS

Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes, UPS On-Call PickupSM, or at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer.
When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.
See the terms and conditions in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service for information regarding firearm shipments.
 
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