Can you mail guns to yourself from out of state?

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stanger04,

It is perfectly legal for persons to have one, two, three or more states of residence:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=27:3.0.1.2.3.2.1.1&idno=27

State of residence. The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

Page 136:
Section 921(b) of the GCA provides
that a member of the Armed Forces
on active duty is a resident of the
State in which his permanent duty
station is located. The purchaser's
official orders showing that his or her
permanent duty station is within the
State where the licensed premises
are located suffice to establish the
purchaser's residence for GCA purposes.
In combination with a military
identification card, such orders will
satisfy the Brady Act's requirement for
an identification document, even
though the purchaser may actually
reside in a home that is not located on
the military base.

Licensees should note that for purposes
of the GCA, military personnel
may in some cases have two States
of residence. For example, a member
of the Armed Forces whose permanent
duty station is Fort Benning,
Georgia, may actually reside in a
home in Alabama. For GCA purposes,
that individual is a resident of
Georgia when he or she is in Georgia
and a resident of Alabama when he or
she is in Alabama. If such an individual
wishes to purchase a firearm in
Alabama, he or she must of course
comply with the identification document
requirement in the same way as
any other Alabama resident.

and Page 126:

27 CFR 178.11: MEANING OF
TERMS
An out-of-State college student
may establish residence in a State
by residing and maintaining a
home in a college dormitory or in a
location off-campus during the
school term.

ATF Rul. 80-21

"State of residence" is defined by
regulation in 27 CFR 178.11 as the
State in which an individual regularly
resides or maintains a home. The
regulation also provides an example
of an individual who maintains a
home in State X and a home in State
Y. The individual regularly resides in
State X except for the summer
months and in State Y for the summer
months of the year. The regulation
states that during the time the individual
actually resides in State X he is a
resident of State X, and during the
time he actually resides in State Y he
is a resident of State Y.

Applying the above example to outof-
State college students it is held,
that during the time the students actually
reside in a college dormitory or
at an off-campus location they are
considered residents of the State
where the dormitory or off-campus
home is located. During the time outof-
State college students actually
reside in their home State they are
considered residents of their home
State.
 
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I should have said:

"If I legally acquire a long gun out of state can I mail it back to myself in New Jersey?

New jersey allows out of state long gun purchases so long as you at least have the purchasers ID card and fill out the New Jersey certificate of eligibility. I am not sure if the purchase has to be from an FFL but If I bought out of state I would go through an FFL and the NICS

My question is could I mail it back to myself so that I would not have to transport it back myself or ship it to a NJ FFL?
 
To buy a long gun out of state, the transfer must be made through an FFL and the laws of both states (that of the purchaser and the FFL) must be met. I don't think you will find an FFL outside of NJ that will want to mess with NJ's laws. Then you could mail the gun to yourself in New Jersey.
 
bushmaster1313 said:
..."If I legally acquire a long gun out of state can I mail it back to myself in New Jersey?

New jersey allows out of state long gun purchases so long as you at least have the purchasers ID card and fill out the New Jersey certificate of eligibility. I am not sure if the purchase has to be from an FFL but If I bought out of state I would go through an FFL and the NICS

My question is could I mail it back to myself so that I would not have to transport it back myself or ship it to a NJ FFL?
And now that you've clarified the question, the short answer is yes.

Of course, under federal law to be able to legally receive in your State of residence a long gun acquired in another State: (1) the long gun must be legal in your State of residense; (2) the transfer must be done by an FFL, but the FFL may be in the State in which the long gun is acquired; and (3) the transfer must comply with the laws of both the State in which the transfer takes place and your State or residence.
 
bushmaster1313 said:
This could come up if I saw a gun at a gun store I wanted while traveling out of state.
Indeed it can. It's happened with me several times. But I've always done the transfer at a local FFL back home. There are a couple with whom I've done enough business that they are happy to provide the service. So I'll just call one, and he will fax a copy of his license to the shop I'm dealing with. That shop will ship the gun, and I do the paper work when I get back home.

Of course, the way California law works, I have to do the transfer in California.
 
Ok now that that is clear, I guess...

Same topic 2 different scenarios.

Scenario 1.
I currently own a .22 rifle. I want to give it to my niece as a gift. I am not an FFL nor is she.

I live in N.C. and she lives in Wisc. Can I USPS/UPS/FedEX it directly to her?

Scenario 2.
I want to buy my niece a .22 rifle and give it to her as a gift. I am not an FFL nor is she.

I live in N.C. and she lives in Wisc. Can I USPS/UPS/FedEX it directly to her.

Neither of us are prohibited from owning a rifle or handgun for that matter. Would scenario 2 be considered a straw purchase?

Can I ship her the rifle without sending it to a FFL in both scenarios?
 
Sullyman said:
Scenario 1.
I currently own a .22 rifle. I want to give it to my niece as a gift. I am not an FFL nor is she.

I live in N.C. and she lives in Wisc. Can I USPS/UPS/FedEX it directly to her?

Scenario 2.
I want to buy my niece a .22 rifle and give it to her as a gift. I am not an FFL nor is she.

I live in N.C. and she lives in Wisc. Can I USPS/UPS/FedEX it directly to her.
All transfers of firearms between residents of different states must go through an FFL.

If you were to do what you laid out, it'd be a lot more serious list of federal and state charges than "straw purchase" (which would not factor in here, as "gifts" are not considered "straw purchases").
 
Originally Posted by Sullyman
Scenario 1.
I currently own a .22 rifle. I want to give it to my niece as a gift. I am not an FFL nor is she.

I live in N.C. and she lives in Wisc. Can I USPS/UPS/FedEX it directly to her?

Scenario 2.
I want to buy my niece a .22 rifle and give it to her as a gift. I am not an FFL nor is she.

I live in N.C. and she lives in Wisc. Can I USPS/UPS/FedEX it directly to her.

All transfers of firearms between residents of different states must go through an FFL. If you were to do what you laid out, it'd be a lot more serious list of federal and state charges than "straw purchase".

I guess a gift card to the her local sporting goods store is a better idea. I'll keep my .22. I'll leave it to her in my will instead.:D
 
To buy a long gun out of state, the transfer must be made through an FFL and the laws of both states (that of the purchaser and the FFL) must be met. I don't think you will find an FFL outside of NJ that will want to mess with NJ's laws. Then you could mail the gun to yourself in New Jersey.


I don't understand this. I have bought long guns out of state and if the dealer had any interest in the laws of my home state or what I did with the rifle after I bought it he made no indication.
 
ZeroJunk said:
To buy a long gun out of state, the transfer must be made through an FFL and the laws of both states (that of the purchaser and the FFL) must be met. I don't think you will find an FFL outside of NJ that will want to mess with NJ's laws. Then you could mail the gun to yourself in New Jersey.

I don't understand this. I have bought long guns out of state and if the dealer had any interest in the laws of my home state...
Nonetheless, federal law requires that the dealer be concerned about the laws of your home State. See 18 USC 922(b)(3):

"...(b) It shall be unlawful for any ..., licensed dealer, ... to sell or deliver -
....

(3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in ... the State in which the licensee's place of business is located, except ... the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee's place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States),...."(18 USC 922(b)(3), emphasis added)

Of course, it's possible that the dealer knew what he was doing and knew that he was complying with the laws of your home State. Then again, it's also possible that the dealer didn't know what he was doing and messed up.
 
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