Found the right rifle in the wrong caliber. Help :(

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Beltway

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Hi all.
Long time reader, new member :)
I have been looking around for a bolt action rifle for a while now.
I went to the local gunshop and looked and touched quite a few models.
I liked all of them, but it was one that I really felt was right for me. And that was the Ruger M77 Hawkeye.

The model that had everything I wanted (almost) was the Hawkeye African.
Loved the looks and feel of it. Felt that I got a big smile when I held it in my hands :) Iron sights is a big plus.
But now on to the problem. The caliber. I kind of wanted a 30-06. A good all round caliber, that I like shooting. But the African is not chambered in 30-06.
Here are the caliber options:
223 Rem, 300 win mag, 338 Win mag, 9,3x62, 375 Ruger.


Main use of rifle will be "just in case" (or shtf like you americans like to call it)
Like to have the option to hunt and also to have it as a defensive rifle if I must defend something. I live in the country side. Biggest animal here is elk and brown bear. But deer and smaller animals might also be an option to hunt. Like to be able to shoot quite accurate out to at least 300meters, without too much bullit drop. I will do my own reloading, but might buy ammo from time to time.

What do you think of the calibers the African is chambered in for my use?
I have not shot any of them except 223. But I feel that is a bit light for an all round rifle.

I have shot 30-06, 308, 6,5x55, 223 and 444 Marlin. Like them all.
Never had a problem with recoil on these.

I have read that it is a bit shorter barrel life with a magnum caliber. That is a negative thing for me. What about the 9,3x62?, too slow? 375 Ruger a bit too much? hmm

I also like the M77 Hawkeye Standard model. This I can get in 30-06 and a gunsmith could put on some iron sights for me. Would this just be a easier and better option for my use?

Thankfull for all help I can get. I'm lost. I have looked at balistic charts for all the calibers but hard to decide just by looking at a paper. Give me your thoughts.

Excuse my english
Best regards from Scandinavia.
:)
 
300 gets my vote.

If I wanted the African I would grab the 300 mag. If you load starting loads you are basically shooting an 06. Plus you have the option to shoot full-house loads when it is bear or elk time.
 
Given the choices of 223 Rem, 300 win mag, 338 Win mag, 9,3x62, 375 Ruger, the 300 Win Mag stands out for me. :)

That would be my choice.

Ron
 
I agree on the .300 mag. It can be loaded with monster 208 A-Max bullets to even 240 gr SMKs allowing you to shoot to a mile+ if needed or with lighter bullets giving you loads similar to the 30-06. The .300 is a nice all around caliber but it also comes with some stout recoil when shooting the full power loads with heavy bullets. A limbsaver recoil pad may be a good investment unless you are not recoil sensitive.
 
Maybe a Ruger Compact Magnum in 308.

Ruger really should chamber the African in '06.
 
I have a Ruger M77 MkII Compact in 243 with tango safety. It is a really goof gun, and the M77 line i have heard a lot of positive stuff on it. I got my M77 because it felt right to me too, lite and just right.

300win mag is a good round, lots of people hunt around here with it. 30-06 is an ok round.
with the larger round you don't want to be shooting them a lot, they hurt lol.
 
In my 45 years of buying, using, selling and tinkering with guns I have learned a thing or two. One of which is to not accept less than what you really want. If the rifle I wanted wasn't available in the caliber I wanted I would find another rifle. There has to be one in '06 that you will like as much as the one that is now disappointing you. If you settle for a second choice you will always be a bit disappointed with it.
 
+1 more for the 300. With reloads you can tailor the 30 cal to meet just about any need you could encounter. With the right bullet/powder combos you can duplicate loads from other 30 cal cartridges.

Happy hunting.
 
In my 45 years of buying, using, selling and tinkering with guns I have learned a thing or two. One of which is to not accept less than what you really want. If the rifle I wanted wasn't available in the caliber I wanted I would find another rifle. There has to be one in '06 that you will like as much as the one that is now disappointing you. If you settle for a second choice you will always be a bit disappointed with it.
He does have a very good point I've been down that road.
 
+1 to SaxonPig's advice. Especially if this is your "all around" gun, get something you're really happy with. If you're like me and you settle for something, several years later you'll end up sellng/trading it away (probably at a loss) and buying what you wanted in the first place. For me, this applies to cars, guns, tools, and more recently appliances.

My first thought was to agree with your idea of having a gunsmith add sights to another Ruger product in the caliber you want. I'm guessing the balance and ergonomics will be similar to the Alaskan (guessing because the only Ruger rifles I've ever shot were 10/22's). Get it done exactly like you want it and you'll be happier in the long run. If it costs a little more and takes a bit longer, so what.
 
I was looking for a Mauser in .308 and "settled" on one in .243 with the intention of rebarreling it. Found out that .243 is a great cartridge that I enjoy shooting.
 
Beltway:

SaxonPig is right. That's why I did not settle for a .243 or a 25-06 when I wanted a .257 Roberts. I found the right rifle, after a 6-month search, and it took two tries to actually buy it. But I didn't settle for the right rifle in the wrong chambering. Neither should you.

But a M77 African in .223? That's gotta be sweet!
 
30-06 is a good choice and there are a vast array of rifles in that caliber to choose from.

If you are choosing from what's on offer, 9.3x62 is a great caliber. Very similar to 35 Whelen, aka 35-06. Takes you from relatively soft push cast lead 285 gr over a nearly full case of Trail Boss to 225 gr Spitzers at 2500 fps. You can hunt anything up to the bottom end of dangerous game and defend against anything that isn't armored.
 
Worth Rebarreling

There is away to get exactly what you want.

Buy a Hawkeye African in 9.3X62 and have it rebarreled to 30.06


The 9.3X62 uses a standard 30.06 bolt face. The 30.06 in its metric form is a 7.62X63.3 with an overall length of 85mm, the 9.3X63 with an overall length 83.6mm. Take a close look at the attached picture. The action may not require any gunsmithing.


Have your gunsmith remove the 9.3X62 barrel along with the sights and barrel band sling and send it a barrel maker to have the profile duplicated with a 30.06 barrel

Douglas Rifle Inc. (other barrel company will do this as well) will for $50 above the cost of the barrel.
http://www.douglasbarrels.net/pricelist/

Once your new barrel is received your gunsmith can install the new barrel to your action and then install the original 9.3X62 factory sights and barrel band sling. The complete rifle could then be blued though only the new barrel would require it.

You would have the rifle you truly want. With a better than factory, barrel without the lawyer warnings on the barrel. The cost would be about the same as have any bolt action rebarreled with a high quality barrel.

You could sell the original to help off set the cost of the project.
 

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For Just In Case Rifle, of the calibers listed the 223 Remington is the most practical choice.

The African can be re-barreled to 30-06 (and that would be an awesome rifle) but adding the sights to the new barrel may prove to be cost prohibitive.

If the Ruger M77 is available in 30-06 with open sights, get that and add a peep sight
 
In my 45 years of buying, using, selling and tinkering with guns I have learned a thing or two. One of which is to not accept less than what you really want.
Sage advice. Find another rifle. The .223 is too light and the rest are too heavy for general purpose use. Rebarrelling is way too expensive for something like this. You'd be better off buying a Hawkeye in your cartridge of choice and having iron sights added to it.
 
Another problem with using the .300 win mag as a multi-purpose cartridge, is that if you are loading it low for target and hunting medium-sized game, when you grab your "hot" loads, you are going to have to re-zero, unless you have some nice target turrets on your scope and extensive notes (from extensive testing) on point of impact for each load you develop.

I'm having to do this with a Mosin I have developed 5 or 6 different loads for.
 
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