Why are they trying to ban online ammo purchases?

The Aurora shooting has added fuel to the whole limiting online ammo purchases. Holmes ordered 1-6K rounds of ammo online, the number varies depending on who you read. To a legal gun owner with legal intentions, that is a great day at the range with some left to stockpile. But to anyone who is afraid of firearms, ordering ammo means you are going on a shooting spree at a petting zoo or something.

The anti's want all ammo sales registered and recorded and dealer sales will do that. It is harder with on-line/mail order sales.

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Most of us here are old enough to remember... but I'm sure we have some younger people that don't. For their benefit, a little history.

We _used_ to have a requirement that ammunition sales be recorded. I was just a teenager back then (1970's) but I would be down in rural Oklahoma and want a couple boxes of .22 LR. You could buy it at just about any store. Walk into the grocery store and buy it from the cashier like the way people ask for cigarettes now. But even for a 50 round box of .22's, the cashier would have to get our her bound ledger book and record the information. How much you bought, who you were, what was your address? It was a pain in the butt for both sides.

But ultimately this requirement was done away with. As I remember, the ATF was asked by Congress to provide evidence that all this data collecting had ever been instrumental in solving a crime. Turned out they could show cases where they had pinpointed an ammo transaction... after they had already found and arrested the bad guy. They couldn't find a single case where the records themselves actually led to the discovery of the bad guy. So Congress was able to treat all this paperwork as "wasteful and pointless bureaucracy" and do away with it. Kind of sad that some pin heads want to bring all that back!!

Gregg

Thank you for that needed dose of common sense tulsamal.

85win said:

Did I miss something? Why are they talking about banning online or mail order ammo purchases. Why would anybody care where you buy your ammo?

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Well, ask your self some other questions, such as, how would stripping American citizens of their liberty to purchase a firearm privately(gun show loophole), without government interference have made any difference in the last half dozen school house slaughters?

The answer, it wouldn't anymore than you're ability to purchase ammo online. You see, they are after guns & ammunition period! All of the measures you are hearing aired out by the dedicated anti-gun political class, are only intended to impact law abiding Americans.

Think of it this way, the pro-statist gun confiscators, they are throwing handfuls of mud at the wall, and looking to see what sticks.

The "anti's" are throwing everything against the wall, waiting to see what sticks.
Cook county (Chicago) attempted to impose a 5 cent a round tax, $25 on a brick of .22s, as a violence tax . They were dead serious. The tax, which would have effectively killed all ammo sales in the County (their goal), died before a vote BUT they did impose a $25 firearm transfer tax. The ability to tax is the ability to control, and destroy.

What Pilot said.

anything that's convenient, they don't like

thing is, reloading is a lot faster than ordering and waiting..

Has anyone considered that "gun control" may be a smoke screen for the ultimate goal? What if the current administration really wants to anger the gun owners enough to get a bunch of us in the streets doing armed protests? Have you checked out what happens under martial law as far as the position of president being put into second place and assuming the commander in chief role as primary? You can forget elections, the constitution, guaranteed rights and the nation we all love and support. And, no, I am not a comspiracy nut but, I do wonder how someone who is supposed to be the smartest guy in the room can make so many errors and stomp all over the constitution as often as he does and not have some hidden agenda. Just wondering.

HighExpert said:

Has anyone considered that "gun control" may be a smoke screen for the ultimate goal? What if the current administration really wants to anger the gun owners enough to get a bunch of us in the streets doing armed protests? Have you checked out what happens under martial law as far as the position of president being put into second place and assuming the commander in chief role as primary? You can forget elections, the constitution, guaranteed rights and the nation we all love and support. And, no, I am not a comspiracy nut but, I do wonder how someone who is supposed to be the smartest guy in the room can make so many errors and stomp all over the constitution as often as he does and not have some hidden agenda. Just wondering.

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Absolutely spot on.

And at that point, civil unrest is not the problem...some other country will come in and take over.

bushmaster1313 said:

I do not like the idea of banning online sales of ammo because there is certain ammo, like .257 Roberts, that is hard to find at gun shops.

On the other hand, a ban on online sales, or a law that online sales require a NICS check, will make it somewhat more difficult for convicted felons to acquire ammunition.

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Maybe, you should just turn in your firearms now, and be done with it. After all, those felons you seem so willing to ditch my liberties for, are about five times more likely to get their guns from you!

blkbrd666 said:

And at that point, civil unrest is not the problem...some other country will come in and take over.

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Oh, hows that?

Yeah I thought I heard something about having to "register" to buy ammo.

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Connecticut is proposing that in their gun control bill right know. arg

To a legal gun owner with legal intentions, that is a great day at the range with some left to stockpile. But to anyone who is afraid of firearms, ordering ammo means you are going on a shooting spree at a petting zoo or something.

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I like that! 6,000 rounds, that's a day at a picnic with some friends.

bushmaster1313 said:

On the other hand, a ban on online sales, or a law that online sales require a NICS check, will make it somewhat more difficult for convicted felons to acquire ammunition.

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This is naive at best.

First off, which of the disturbed young men involved in the recent shootings was a convicted felon?

None of them were, So we won't be saving any children there.

Next, no "convicted felon" that's a violent offender is going to give a hoot about getting legal ammo for his/her illegal gun. My wife spent a year working with the medical staff at a state penitentiary, and I'm here to tell you that those guys can get almost anything they want inside the prison.

Keeping ammo out of their hands while they're walking around out of prison will be harder than sucking a vacuum on a Mason jar with holes in the lid.

No, that proposed reg is aimed at us, not at criminals. Don't kid yourself.

Why do they want to ban ammo?? Why do they want to ban a majority of semi automatic weapons we own? Do you think the Assault Weapon Ban is just to ban "assault weapons" or what us more educated people know as semi automatic magazine fed rifles? No, if you read the AWB bill clearly, you will see a good majority of semi auto handguns are also going to be classified as "Assault Weapons". Basically, except for 1911s and Revolvers, there will not be many guns you will be allowed to own with this "New and Improved" Assault Weapon Ban.

Read the bottom of my signature and you will get the answer to your question.

bushmaster1313 said:

On the other hand, a ban on online sales, or a law that online sales require a NICS check, will make it somewhat more difficult for convicted felons to acquire ammunition.

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Bushmaster1313, banning guns will make it even more difficult for convicted felons to acquire guns. In Nazi Germany, the streets were very safe until the government started committing mass murders. Basically, 20 dead kids in a single day didn't look like much compared to the 1000s of civilians, including women and children, that were massacred by criminal governments.