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The "Usual Suspects" Are now trying to ban Internet Ammo Sales.
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It is impossible to debate people who do not understand freedom, and that it doesn't matter what a law abiding citizen owns, as it is not a danger to society.
That is totally wrong thinking. "Reasonable" is the lie the antis have been using for decades, when what they want in the end is all our guns. (Yours too). It is completely ludicrous to say we need "reasonable" restrictions so that they won't push for bigger restrictions, because that is exactly what they will do. They (You?) have made no secret about it. They want total gun confiscation from law abiding citizens. Criminals will still be able to get guns, the same place they get things like organs, babies, women, drugs. They can get anything they have enough money for on the black market.
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...especially when you consider the "cake" was rightfully yours to begin with. If our other rights had been expanded in some way as compensation for the new restrictions, one could call what happended a compromise. What was really proposed was a Hobson's choice (the preferred MO for the politically dangerous).
Govt: "There's no way we're letting you citizens keep this stuff we find threatening. You can either keep what we're willing to tolerate (for now) or you will lose everything we can get away with taking from you."
Public: "Well, that's bunk, but I guess I'm okay with it. I can't afford that really cool stuff you say is dangerous anyway, so it doesn't really affect me. I don't use that dangerous stuff for what I do now, so I can't see any harm in restricting it."
Nowhere was the public compensated for their now truncated weapons rights. Meanwhile, the Federal Government was adorned with massive new powers of protection and enforcement (which they have subsequently used to expand their authority beyond anything intended at the time). Doesn't sound like a "square deal" if you ask me...
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Once upon a time....During hearings for a proposal for a gun control bill. There was a man who was a proponent and architect for the bill. He used terms like reasonable and sensible.
He mentioned on how the bill would favor gun owners by keeping criminals from guns. The fees were 'reasonable' and the permits would require just some checks and references, but the permit would ensure that law abiding owners would be able to purchase rifles and long guns.
He also said that gun owners will now be guaranteed to get permits to buy a handgun with the passage of the law if they had a clean record. This law addressed the disparities that existed from town to town in acquiring hand gun permits. The man suggested that the law will also bring uniformity of gun laws to the state and would also address questions of transporting firearms.
This was in New Jersey and the year was 1966 and the man was the Attorney General of NJ. The law passed months later and required a Firearms ID card to buy long guns, black powder rifles and BB gun rifles. A separate permit to purchase was required for each handgun, including black powder hand guns and BB handguns. This 'martial law' approach to gun control only got even worse for the law abiding gun owners in New Jersey as the years went by.
Lets see how 'reasonable' has translated to 2012 ...One hand gun a month, $18 state NICS background check fee and the NICS is closed Sundays and holidays, seven years in jail mandatory for having a BB gun in a wrong location, assault weapons ban, tube fed .22 rifles that can be fed more than 15 rounds are considered an assault weapon. Graves amendment three years in jail for a gun offense, the FID and handgun permit system requirements vary from town to town, 'health safety and welfare' excuse can keep you from getting your permits even if you have a clean record, the wait for permits vary from town to town.... need I go on?
Whatever politician, actor, news commentator, TV or radio reporter...no matter how 'reasonable' or 'sensible' spin they put on gun control...think about New Jersey, think about what happened in Australia and the U.K.... Look what happened in New Jersey. Do you want what happened in New Jersey, happen in your state?
We need to be ever watchful and collectively do our best to defeat these gun and ammo control proposals. We need to look what happened in the past, to protect our gun rights now and into the future. Not just for us, but for future generations.
He mentioned on how the bill would favor gun owners by keeping criminals from guns. The fees were 'reasonable' and the permits would require just some checks and references, but the permit would ensure that law abiding owners would be able to purchase rifles and long guns.
He also said that gun owners will now be guaranteed to get permits to buy a handgun with the passage of the law if they had a clean record. This law addressed the disparities that existed from town to town in acquiring hand gun permits. The man suggested that the law will also bring uniformity of gun laws to the state and would also address questions of transporting firearms.
This was in New Jersey and the year was 1966 and the man was the Attorney General of NJ. The law passed months later and required a Firearms ID card to buy long guns, black powder rifles and BB gun rifles. A separate permit to purchase was required for each handgun, including black powder hand guns and BB handguns. This 'martial law' approach to gun control only got even worse for the law abiding gun owners in New Jersey as the years went by.
Lets see how 'reasonable' has translated to 2012 ...One hand gun a month, $18 state NICS background check fee and the NICS is closed Sundays and holidays, seven years in jail mandatory for having a BB gun in a wrong location, assault weapons ban, tube fed .22 rifles that can be fed more than 15 rounds are considered an assault weapon. Graves amendment three years in jail for a gun offense, the FID and handgun permit system requirements vary from town to town, 'health safety and welfare' excuse can keep you from getting your permits even if you have a clean record, the wait for permits vary from town to town.... need I go on?
Whatever politician, actor, news commentator, TV or radio reporter...no matter how 'reasonable' or 'sensible' spin they put on gun control...think about New Jersey, think about what happened in Australia and the U.K.... Look what happened in New Jersey. Do you want what happened in New Jersey, happen in your state?
We need to be ever watchful and collectively do our best to defeat these gun and ammo control proposals. We need to look what happened in the past, to protect our gun rights now and into the future. Not just for us, but for future generations.
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